2) Not Chouza, he's on the field in the same army as Chouji. And I don't think we know anything for sure. We saw them making serious faces, and we saw their children look sad
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I'm sorry you didn't enjoy the chapter. Thank you for that clarification though. See, I thought that Chouza wasn't there. The wording of the translation I read was a little confusing though
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Naruto is a shounen manga, right? I thought the typical target of shounen mangas was 12 to 16 year old boys...? And I'm not really asking for subtlety at this point. I mean, I don't think it's a subtle message: "this is a war, war is a cruel things where many people, good or bad, die".
Also, mostly I'm annoyed because when I go back to the beginning of the Naruto series, the deaths and acknowledging that the ninja world is cruel and violent and treats people as expendable tools was thereLike, remember Haku and Zabuza? There's a whole passage where Haku explains how he was a tool to Zabuza, and Zabuza himself was a tool to their client, because this is the way of the shinobi world. And Sakura has a scene where she cries and says that she had learned all the ninja rules, including the one forbidding her to cry. And then Haku dies with Kakashi piercing his heart. And Zabuza dies too, killing his client. And we cared for these characters, we had been made to see them as humans
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I guess I thought Naruto was aimed at 9-14 year old boys, which to me are still not readers where for subtly. To clarify, the ages don't mean that I don't think he'll tone down the violence, just that he won't be all that subtle about his themes. None of the examples above stuck me as particularly subtle either, but then, milage varies. Each person will have different reading expeirnces, and there's not much that changes that.
I hadn't been following the manga myself (I am so behind since I've been following the anime), but when I heard what had happened to Neji, I had to check the chapter out.
My brain is insisting that Neji is not going to remain dead (because after Kakashi was brought back, Naruto moved into "Death is cheap" territory to me. [Ex. TvTrope's sorting algorithm of deadness is giving me a 2.25/4, meaning he'll be back.].
I too saw his sacrifice with shipper glasses on - that just as Hinata was protecting Naruto, who she loves, Neji jumped in to protect her (because if it was just about protecting Naruto, well Hinata had that covered.)
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And I'm not really asking for subtlety at this point. I mean, I don't think it's a subtle message: "this is a war, war is a cruel things where many people, good or bad, die".
Also, mostly I'm annoyed because when I go back to the beginning of the Naruto series, the deaths and acknowledging that the ninja world is cruel and violent and treats people as expendable tools was thereLike, remember Haku and Zabuza? There's a whole passage where Haku explains how he was a tool to Zabuza, and Zabuza himself was a tool to their client, because this is the way of the shinobi world. And Sakura has a scene where she cries and says that she had learned all the ninja rules, including the one forbidding her to cry. And then Haku dies with Kakashi piercing his heart. And Zabuza dies too, killing his client. And we cared for these characters, we had been made to see them as humans ( ... )
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I guess I thought Naruto was aimed at 9-14 year old boys, which to me are still not readers where for subtly. To clarify, the ages don't mean that I don't think he'll tone down the violence, just that he won't be all that subtle about his themes. None of the examples above stuck me as particularly subtle either, but then, milage varies. Each person will have different reading expeirnces, and there's not much that changes that.
I do agree that he has done better war scenes.
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My brain is insisting that Neji is not going to remain dead (because after Kakashi was brought back, Naruto moved into "Death is cheap" territory to me. [Ex. TvTrope's sorting algorithm of deadness is giving me a 2.25/4, meaning he'll be back.].
I too saw his sacrifice with shipper glasses on - that just as Hinata was protecting Naruto, who she loves, Neji jumped in to protect her (because if it was just about protecting Naruto, well Hinata had that covered.)
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