Good. Excellent. Explain it to me. Do you color on your eyebrow hair or the skin itself? And do you have to make a shape and color it in or do you just go with how they're already shaped?
So, some people who are really into makeup will play with how they apply their eyebrows in order to achieve a desired effect for that particular look, which can run the gamut from natural to really drawn-in. And some ladies just really like what I call the MAC quasi-drag look, which is a very dark/defined brow. Depending on what you want, you're either trying to draw a shape and fill it in on the skin, or, to look more natural, maybe fill in areas that are a little sparse by lightly filling in the skin, then brushing over the brow hairs to maintain texture. You can use a combination of eyeshadow and a brow pencil, or either alone. Eyebrows, to me, should look natural, and that includes making sure they look like sisters, not twins
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Oh, and I also had this comment, which is not a novella about eyebrows:
I don't tend to read a lot of literary stuff in general, since I have so many awesome science books and YA stuff to read, and females have traditionally written my favorite YA stuff, which also turns out to be most of my top 10 book list as well. So I can't think of a lot of literary writers who are female either whose work I seek out. I mean, I go to the bookstore, and I end up with books about mitochondria, atheism, the Civil War, YA historical fiction and maybe a new Cormac McCarthy. My interests do not overlap with much of the fiction that is seemingly *aimed* at females, although I read more female authors.
Yeah, I definitely prefer SF but these days it's hard to find anything that appeals to me there either. So I try to broaden my horizons. But it's tough to find new authors and of the ones I've enjoyed I've yet to pull a book that I love that's by a female who isn't writing genre stuff.
Hey, can I just butt in late to the party to criticize your approach? Not your tastes, as they are your own, but your approach. Like in the post about rich people and their overpriced houses, you don't actually know these people you're lumping into general categories. With feminine women and rich people, you're pointing at a group from which you don't know anybody personally, and then you assume a position of moral/cultural superiority because you're not like them. Hell, I like makeup and I won't wear boots that cost under $200. I have friends who wear cheap shoes and no makeup, but they sit around looking at Facebook and discussing people's weddings. So which of these standards of marketed femininity count more? I really like the comment someone made above, about how these are really just superficial characteristics, but everybody is still an individual, Facebook or no Facebook
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Yeah, but see it's good because then people weigh in with their own experiences and I get to learn something. So the net result is positive.
I find that I pick up and put down a lot of books, by both men and women. And yet I don't find myself reading stuff by women, by and large, outside of sci fi writers. And I'm wondering why this is. And I think there is a big cultural divide, actually.
There are really two issues here--the nature of the writing, and the question of femaleness. I put those two together because they seem to fit together when it comes to how I make choices about what I read. What I want is to understand why it is that I can never seem to find a new book by a female author that's about something interesting to me. I assume it's because the stuff they're writing about isn't interesting to me. And I assume the reason they're not is because it's being marketed to a majority, because the goal is to sell books.
And I don't fit that majority.
Maybe you don't like lit fiction written by women precisely because you
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So what does marketing for the majority have to do with it? There was a really nasty review a while back by some lady about how GoT wasn't women's lit and how women wouldn't find it interesting. In the article she then proceeded to list a bunch of books she considered appropriate for women, that 'we', by definition of being female, would rather read
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I don't quite get what you mean by genre-fic, 'cause I don't think I read anything that is not genre. 'Cause I read only mystery and Sci-fi. And of course, what's considered the classics, books like Wuthering Heights.
Anyway, if you are just looking for good writers, I think P.D. James is worth checking out. Her stuff gets too severe, but, it looks like you might actually like them.
Well I use the classifications I learned as a library aide--it's either genre:western, romance, sci fi, fantasy, horror, mystery; or it's general fiction. Which I guess is the catch-all phrase for 'everything else.' You could probably break it down by publishing houses.
I never read Wuthering Heights, but I think it's filed under 'general.' Though if someone wanted to write a Steampunk version--actually I wonder if someone already has?
I did try to read Children of Men a while back, as I loved the movie. I didn't manage to finish it though. :( But I appreciate the rec! Always open to those.
I think roque_clasique pretty much covered it, but briefly: there is a difference between fiction "written for" and marketed towards women and the much larger category of fiction written by women--that is, there is a difference between what is categorized as "women's literature" and literature written by women. Women don't write about different things from men. I guess I have a huge problem with people saying, "Women are this way" or "women have these interests", because I almost never identify with those comments, and that has never made me less of a woman; it's just hurt me and made me feel really . . . voiceless. I submit to you that you are saying that now, and I . . . ask you to consider that.
Anyway, it sounds to me like you just aren't a fan of literary fiction--though when I read your post, I figured, well, she must hate Marquez, since love, family, relationships, and the dreaded family saga are all that One Hundred Years Of Solitude is. Then I read further down the thread and saw that pretty much your entire "non-genre"
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It's all very confusing, and I'm starting to think there are hidden sub-genres of fiction based on book clubs and people like Gina Bellefante, who make grand sweeping statements about 'what women readers want' and ruin it for the rest of us. (Favorite quote: ' While I do not doubt that there are women in the world who read books like Mr. Martin’s, I can honestly say that I have never met a single woman who has stood up in indignation at her book club and refused to read the latest from Lorrie Moore unless everyone agreed to “The Hobbit” first
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These are serious questions. It confounds me.
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Oh my god.
Whyyy is this so complicated?? Sheesh.
It's like, you can go to Wal-Mart in pajamas, or you can put some damn pants on. You're still at Wal-Mart, but at least you look appropriate.
Bahaha. That did genuinely make me laugh. Heh.
I never even realized this was a thing until very recently. I'm still boggling over it, tbh. I may never completely understand.
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I don't tend to read a lot of literary stuff in general, since I have so many awesome science books and YA stuff to read, and females have traditionally written my favorite YA stuff, which also turns out to be most of my top 10 book list as well. So I can't think of a lot of literary writers who are female either whose work I seek out. I mean, I go to the bookstore, and I end up with books about mitochondria, atheism, the Civil War, YA historical fiction and maybe a new Cormac McCarthy. My interests do not overlap with much of the fiction that is seemingly *aimed* at females, although I read more female authors.
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I find that I pick up and put down a lot of books, by both men and women. And yet I don't find myself reading stuff by women, by and large, outside of sci fi writers. And I'm wondering why this is. And I think there is a big cultural divide, actually.
There are really two issues here--the nature of the writing, and the question of femaleness. I put those two together because they seem to fit together when it comes to how I make choices about what I read. What I want is to understand why it is that I can never seem to find a new book by a female author that's about something interesting to me. I assume it's because the stuff they're writing about isn't interesting to me. And I assume the reason they're not is because it's being marketed to a majority, because the goal is to sell books.
And I don't fit that majority.
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So what does marketing for the majority have to do with it? There was a really nasty review a while back by some lady about how GoT wasn't women's lit and how women wouldn't find it interesting. In the article she then proceeded to list a bunch of books she considered appropriate for women, that 'we', by definition of being female, would rather read ( ... )
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Anyway, if you are just looking for good writers, I think P.D. James is worth checking out. Her stuff gets too severe, but, it looks like you might actually like them.
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I never read Wuthering Heights, but I think it's filed under 'general.' Though if someone wanted to write a Steampunk version--actually I wonder if someone already has?
I did try to read Children of Men a while back, as I loved the movie. I didn't manage to finish it though. :( But I appreciate the rec! Always open to those.
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Anyway, it sounds to me like you just aren't a fan of literary fiction--though when I read your post, I figured, well, she must hate Marquez, since love, family, relationships, and the dreaded family saga are all that One Hundred Years Of Solitude is. Then I read further down the thread and saw that pretty much your entire "non-genre" ( ... )
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