Go away, Mr Moffat.

[hippiebanana132]

 I'm supposed to be learning 23 lyrical ballads, so, clearly, I am bitching about DW instead.

OK. When the episode aired, I didn't have much problem with River, really. I didn't love her, but I didn't hate her - I was sort of settled on the disliking side of indifference.

My problems with this episode are more like it falls apart when you think about

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[madhowan]

Thank you!
I just finished watching and was trying to work out why River and the Doctor didn't work, and this is it.

lives happily ever after with clone kids and her team members, one of whom is suddenly beautified again and is liked despite the fact they all hated her before, without ever seeing the man she loves again, with NO PROBLEM? I'm very prone to talking at the screen, but saying "oh, you're kidding," - now with extra added expletives - at the telly twice in an episode never happens. This was the first part. (Clicking his fingers to open the TARDIS was the second.) And made worse by the thought that she'd probably have her own Doctor there.

There's far too much to agree with here without ranting on forever, so I'll say, this -
So, you know, sorry River, but I think you just doomed your own relationship - made me laugh quite a bit. Yeah okay, I didn't like her

[hippiebanana132]

Yeah, it kinda worked on the surface, didn't it? The basic plot was clever and sad and had the potential to be terrifying, but Moffat really messed it up.

And that makes me worry, because RTD sends out the episode briefs, so the whole basic plot was probably largely his idea anyway.

[madhowan]

Oh, exactly! I got more involved in this part - more so than the first - even cried at the end, but none of that was for River, and since she was such a large part, the fact that she didn't work made the whole thing not work.
I feel like these would have been great if she wasn't in them. Donna's story was so sad (that's where the crying was), and the acting was really good, it was just that the characters didn't work together.

Like you said last week though, perhaps he just likes his own characters better, so when he gets to write them all they'll be fantastic characters.
Or he could just bring back Sally Sparrow?

[hippiebanana132]

Or he could just bring back Sally Sparrow? - I would so go for that, as long as he didn't kill her awesome with his Moffatisms.

[hippiebanana132]

I will NEVER understand why that makes him awesome.

Somewhere, Adam's forehead is opening.

[shinyopals]

I'm still going with the fact that the only people who've said they're married at the tabloids, it wasn't stated in the episode, was it?

[hippiebanana132]

I'll go for that. No marriage in the episode. None at all.

Maybe he only tells his name when playing spin the bottle and getting dared.

[kitty_cate]

i agree with some. i thought River was... okay. she could've been better, and i kinda think it would've been more poignant if what i was speccing came true: River dies, and the Doctor decides it'd be better for her if they never meet after that. Standing in the TARDIS, he opens the diary and looks as the writing on the pages fades away. He silently pockets the book/puts it in the trunk full of stuff, and there's no more talk of those sort of things.
and it's just like... when you think of it, the concepts were cool, and the shadows thing really did freak me out (i'm jumpy, what can i say?), but... putting thought into it, the Doctor knows that he has to do all that stuff, just to save her again. it's kinda... wrong. and the romantic stuff! the Doctor could never EVER do romance, not in any body. he's way too awkward. it's just... no.
(i didn't like Astrid that much, though... something about her was off, in my eyes.)

[hippiebanana132]

I was quite looking forward to being terrified of shadows and libraries, haha, but maybe it's a good thing it didn't happen.

Ooh, I definitely like your ending better. It should have happened like that - and that would have been so much more meaningful than a relationship that happens because it HAS to. Reckon we can get a re-film? XD

Yeah, the Doctor sort of fails at romance. Sometimes he gets lucky and the situation or the place works out, but... usually he aims for Naples and ends up in Cardiff. *giggle*

[kitty_cate]

oh, i was at the library today. it made me a bit jumpy, but nothing too bad. i just stayed out of the really tall shelf sections, for the most part. shadows will freak me out all week, though, i'm sure of it.

i like my ending, too. i wrote it out, but i don't think i did it justice. i think it'd have to be more visual, and i couldn't describe it how i wanted.

oh, yes. i find any and all intentional romance highly suspect. accidentally romantic things (which was like every 2 minutes, it sometimes felt, with Rose, but in a good way) are totally great, but planned? pfft. so not the Doctor.

[bubbles234]

I JUST WROTE A REALLY LONG COMMENT IN REPLY TO THIS AND THEN MY INTERNET CRASHED. *RAGE*

Anyway, a condensed version = YOU ARE SO RIGHT IN EVERYTHING YOU SAY.

I loved the episode at first, 'cause I was so like "WEEE NEW WHO!!!"
Then I got over the fangirling and was like "Oh wait... no! BUGGAR OFF MOFFAT AND GET AWAY FROM MY SHOW :Z"

Good luck in your exam! :D

[hippiebanana132]

I JUST WROTE A REALLY LONG COMMENT IN REPLY TO THIS AND THEN MY INTERNET CRASHED. *RAGE* - Oh, I HATE it when that happens!!

I loved the episode at first - Mm, on the surface it was good, but once you think about it, the whole thing falls apart. And there was so much unrealised potential. The story should have been about Lux, not River.

BUGGAR OFF MOFFAT AND GET AWAY FROM MY SHOW :Z - LOL quite!

Good luck in your exam! :D - Thank you!! I'm really going to need it. =S