Attacking people's headcanon, and why does virginity matter so much?

[hoshiko_2000]

This is kind of a double wank, about two things that have been bothering me lately.

The first (and main) wank comes to me after I was looking through some entries on APH Headcanon on tumbler. This post is largely provoked by the responses I saw to one piece of headcanon in particular on the site.

Comments

[vampirenaomi]

I think some people put so much importance on the virginity issue because they feel that if the character has had sex with someone before they met their "one true love", it means that they are no longer pure and their first time with their OTL can't be perfect. Or maybe they believe that, for example, Romano can truly love only one person in the world. If he had sex with someone else before getting together with that person, it makes him a slut because he wasn't motivated by True Love. Because he can only feel True Love for that one special person.

Or something. I don't know. I honestly don't understand why this is even an issue. The same goes for headcanon. There are some headcanons that I don't like at all, but the easy solution to that problem is to let people with those ideas have fun in their sandbox while I play in mine.

For example, I've seen lots of people say that they can't imagine Romano drinking beer, ever, because it's too German. I disagree with that, but that's not the end of the world. It's just not an important

[hoshiko_2000]

'There are some headcanons that I don't like at all, but the easy solution to that problem is to let people with those ideas have fun in their sandbox while I play in mine.'

THIS ^. If you don't like someone elses head-canon, then don't adopt it.

[vurmie]

because virginity is sexy amirite

seriously, though. you want to identify with the characters, right? make them virgins you'll feel right at home, you can even substitute their name for your own and it will be like reading about yourself. seriously though the virginity fixation is fetishistic in nature and as long as people admit it, it's 0k.

honestly the only thing i dislike about this is the debates. like, "none of the nations are virgins because no one can go centuries without sex", "nations can be virgins because time passes differently for them", "nations are superhuman and thus have better self control despite the lack of motive for chastity", "these two can't be virgins because they canonically boned -point out insignificant detail that barely hints at concupiscent relations if at all-"

just

stop

[nodokaotonashi]

honestly the only thing i dislike about this is the debates. like, "none of the nations are virgins because no one can go centuries without sex",

This is an insult to asexuals, too. *cough*

[vurmie]

let's add that to the list of "reasons why inane hetalia debates are obnoxious".

[demacrux]

^ this.

[nodokaotonashi]

I think I've seen a headcanon about NZ who said there was no way it could be female, so of course people are going to flip their shit at some extent. It depends if you're coming with your headcanon as arrogant, in example "There's no way X can do that you guys, so fuck off" or if it's presented politely. Too many times on Tumblr I can't tell the difference between "unpopular opinions" and "APH headcanon", as sometimes the unpopular opinions came from people who forgot to read the manga (and that goes for any series).

This is a supplement about what you said : thus, if both sides can't cooperate then that's not good at all. It will only stir more drama. Oh and just because you prefer to see X character male because you want to =/= misogyny, btw. That's part of NZ wank.

And wow... virginity wank ? I didn't know it was so violent even though I really don't care if they've sex in their life. I must admit that I'm a bit bothered by Italy "saving himself for HRE", however. Did it go as far as virgin-shaming ?

[mizu_takishima]

Did it go as far as virgin-shaming ?
Totally random but one time someone on tumblr reblogged a random post since I mentioned the phrase virgin-shaming and then they wrote "virgin-shaming, omg" as if a phrase like that doesn't even exist? OTL /coolstorybro

From what I can gather though it happens both ways, I've seen both slut-shaming and virgin-shaming when it comes to these characters. Its kind of funny though because I see a lot of slut-shaming towards the female characters but a lot of virgin-shaming towards the male characters 8I

[nodokaotonashi]

Its kind of funny though because I see a lot of slut-shaming towards the female characters
bcuz seychele get in da wai of mai prucious usuk fruk n fuq shes such a slut lol

I'm not that aware of the slut-shaming of the female characters (except Nyotalia wank) but both are... yeah... unfounded... Why can't we just scroll past over it and get on, people ?

[mizu_takishima]

bcuz seychele get in da wai of mai prucious usuk fruk n fuq shes such a slut lol
^lol actually yeah, anyone who calls Seychelles a slut pretty much does so for this reason @_@

I've mostly seen people call Seychelles and the Nyotalias sluts but yeah I wish people would just scroll past things they don't like orz

[mizu_takishima]

I can understand feeling annoyed if someone's head-canon disagrees with yours, but to turn it into a full-blown, angry debate? I can only see that being justified if someone posted a really offensive head-canon, and even then I don't understand how it can turn into a really-super-heated argument. As you said these are just head-canons :'D

So yeah I don't get it either orz

As for the Virginity thing, I've seen it go both ways so its generally like this:

A) character x can only have sex with character y because they're your OTP. If one or both partners have sex with someone who isn't their tru luv, then it leads to either heartbreak/angst or its "just not the saaaame". Or they have to be pure because they were waiting for that special someone, or just plain weren't all that excited about sex until so-and-so came into their lives.

1a)Also if you're a Virgin, then seeing character xyz as a virgin pretty much becomes more relate-able, and not just for the sake of self-insertion.

B) If so-and-so isn't a virgin, then they have more...er...

[hoshiko_2000]

Agreed. This is going off on a major tangent, but it's the fact that Twilight is an dreadfully written, over-rated peice of sexist crap, and Edward Cullen is a possessive, violent, jealous, emotionless creeper that causes the Twilight-hate - the sparkling/chaste vampire/mauling of the vampire myth aspect is just the icing on the cake as far as awfulness is concerned. I think it's kinda the other way round from how you (Mizu) put it *~*. I just think the whole sparkle-thing is just poked fun at the most since it is probably the most awful and mock-able plot device to emerge from modern literature in recent years. Glittery vampires are just the unintentional piece of comedic genius of the last century XD

[zedille]

Obviously if you lose your virginity you must undergo a complete 180 shift in your personality, and your character will NEVER BE THE SAME after. Obviously.

I mean I suppose there's a bit of truth to that (how world-wise a character is?) but beyond that I'm not too sure why there's so much obsession on characters' virginity. Isn't there so much to their personality besides this one thing?