applying the fuckmuppet principle

[hermetic]

So, the internets (at least some of the particular bits of them that I read) are exploding with the amazing anti-Muslim/anti-immigrant/just in general fail of Elizabeth Moon over in her LJ (e-moon60).

Considering how she just kept digging herself deeper and deeper, to the point where she's so far past reason that willshetterly--Will Shetterly!--is calling her on it, I

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[elisamaza76]

Just stopping by to say how much I look forward to using "fuckmuppet," both in reference to the principle and on its own.

Having come from a second day of orientation fail (with a bonus side of shrugging off the concerns of the brown - hooray!), I haven't got the energy to say what a steaming pile of privilege and jackassery that post is. Oh, wait - I just did.

[hermetic]

Indeed.

[therinth]

She and i had a fight on a newsgroup long ago and far away. At the time, and appropo of nothing, she told me i was too submissive because i used a lowercase "i" in conversations...ummm, yeah. I think she's been a loon for awhile.

[hermetic]

*sigh*

It's always distressing when you find out that a person one respects for their work is not all that respectable as a person. It's been one of the things I've liked least about becoming more involved in the writerly life.

Fortunately, it has been greatly outweighed by all the amazing people I have gotten the chance to know as I've grown as a writer and social critic (and fan). It's one of the things I've liked most about meeting people I respect for their work: finding out that they are not only respectable, but cool.

[mhnicholson]

I had to stop reading when I saw the name "Sh*tterly" Life is too short to bring him into it voluntarily.

[hermetic]

Normally, I'm with you. This time, he's actually pretty much on the side of the angels.

Which should be an indication of several things: the accuracy of stopped clocks, the nighness of the end, and how grievously wrong Moon is.

[mhnicholson]

Most trolls go through stages where they play Angel's Advocate to lure people into reading again. The people new to the conversation see the reasonable talk and then get the impression that the veterans are being unreasonably harsh to the poor dear until eventually the scorpion stings its new frogs.

A better indication of how wrong Ms. Moon has become is in this moving piece on dissimilation. It speaks directly to Ms. Moon's call for assimilation and shows some of the prices involved.

Warning: may be triggering, but should not be unheard.

[hermetic]

Most of the folks I know are well aware of that. Everything I've heard in my circles re: WS vis à vis this debacle is fully aware of his usual asshattery and is taking it much in the way I mentioned above--with gallows humor, because, fuck, here we go again.

Yes, Shweta's piece is moving. It's true, and true things tend to be. They are eloquent beyond the words in which they are shaped. (Which in Shweta's case, is already very eloquent.) In fact, I'd already read it and thanked her for sharing it. Thank you for linking to it--I was planning to do so, along with several other pieces. It is (and the others, too) the kind of story that I wish never needed telling, but unfortunately, all too often does. It's also a familiar story to me and many of my friends, because we've lived our own variations of it

[braisinhussy]

Looks like she deleted all comments to that post.

[hermetic]

Yes. That appears to have just happened within the last hour or so.

Previous experience in watching these sorts of things unfold lead me to opine that deleting commentary and basically going "la la la, I can't hear you" is precisely the wrong thing to do, and serves to further flame the matter.

Also, it never works. You can bet that someone (probably several someones) was taking screen shots of it all, in case she pulled that move.

Nothing makes you look quite so guilty as destroying the evidence.

[cygnoir]

Because I respect your opinion -- if you say it was fail, then it was fail -- I clicked the link to go straight to the comments, in hopes that since you had originally posted this she had realized the error of her ways. Or whatever, I don't even know. Because I still haven't read it. I just stared at the UPDATE I HAVE DELETED EVERYTHING YOU SAID HA HA and went "well fuck me" and no longer care to read anything she writes.

[hermetic]

Thanks for the vote of confidence in my judgment--that's an honor