Quick Reaction: 12x21 There's Something About Mary

[hells_half_acre]

Alright, so, let's just be honest right out of the gate:

I hated this episode.

But, I have a rule around here, and it's that you HAVE to find the positive in a thing - and the rules apply to me too. So, yeah... yeah... let's see what I can do here.

Comments

[liliaeth]

Pretty much agreed with you.

Uhm positive...the fight scene in the bunker was pretty cool.

I'm going to have to admit that I utterly hate what they've done with the BMOL this season. They took what could have been a fascinating plot and ruined it by making them plain out evil.

At this point there are two things that could save the MOL as a plotline. (Not to mention Henry Winchester's membership of the organisation )

1. Make dr Hess a demon, or at least soulless. Literally that is. Make her an intended part of Abbadon's plan, or an ally of hers.
Make it so she infiltrated the MOL to corrupt them.

This is actually supported in that the kid Mick was made to kill didn't behave like he expected to have to kill his best friend. In contrary, his first reaction was for Mick and him to make a run for it. If this was normal, wouldn't his parents have prepared him for it?

With Hess having turned the leadership, bringing in kids like Mick with no idea of the organisation's history, it would be easy for her to slowly turn the MOL evil.

2. Have it

[hells_half_acre]

I completely agree with your two points that would save the storyline. That's partially what I was hoping for when Crowley showed up in Dr. Hess's office.

But... yeah, I'm not getting my hopes up. I think this season will just suck, save a few stand-alone episodes that were good.

[liliaeth]

Another thing I'd do in the finale, is have it turn out that Ketch is either the grown up version of the friend Mick was made to kill . So the loser of the fight isn't wasted, but is instead ressurected and brainwashed into heartlessness and obedience. (Based on the seeming eff3ctiveness of the brainwashing, I also kept wondering why they didn't just use it on the hunters, and esp on the Winchesters.)

Welk that and/or he's the father of Toni's son.

[hells_half_acre]

Oh man... they definitely need to make him the father of Toni's son if they're going to have ANY reason for giving her a son in the first place.

Or both scenarios.

But yeah... rar. We'll see I guess. I think you and I would make a much better writing team that the one that wrote this episode - and I say that knowing full well that you and I usually disagree a lot.

[amberdreams]

Yeah, pretty much - I don't hate the Lucifer scenes, I'm just bored with Crowley and Lucifer and the demons who aren't very demonic any more (and in fact are hard to tell apart from the boring angels in their suits). The only demon who felt like a rounded, scary amoral character recently was Dagon, and they bumped her off.

But I loved Sam's reaction to Eileen's death (which flipping sucked btw), Jared really nailed that sorrow. I'm pissed not only that they killed her, but like you say, the way they killed her not even giving her any real weight, like she was just one of those throwaway characters that get bumped off by the monster of the week.

Now you've pointed out who wrote it, a lot of the crappiness makes sense.

[hells_half_acre]

Oh yeah, I forgot to write that conversation into my write-up, but basically midway through the episode, one of my friends was like "WAIT! Who wrote this? I think I know exactly who wrote this." And we paused and I looked it up...and he was right, of course.

I agree about the demons feeling too much like the angels now.

But yeah, Jared was fantastic with Sam's reaction to the death. He did a great job in doing the job the writers didn't.

[liliaeth]

I think that for me it's well... pellegrino was fine as Lucifer in s5, and I even liked him as a hallucination in s7, but damn it, he's just gotten boring by now. It's like the actor knows his storyline sucks.

And when you're a fan of the show Lucifer like I am,well... I can't help compare him to Tom Ellis' Lucifer, who's just a way more charismatic and full fledged character than Pellegrino's is. (though that's not Marc's fault, since on spn, he's just playing the villain, while Ellis gets to play the main char)

[rovallie5]

Pretty much you expressed my feelings...seriously, within the first umm five minutes I thought "hell no, this episode is gonna be a wreck", then when I found out who wrote it, I was no wrong.

As the finale is approaching, I'm trying to analize this season, and the word that comes to my mind is "mess". You have two main plotline that are still unconnected, one of them is repetitive but just in a whole new bigger level, Lucifer and his child; and the other could have been interesting, but no, BMOL are simply cruel people who hate american hunters, and think are superior. Mick was the exception though,so he had to be killed.

Following your idea, something positive I could say is I enjoyed Jared and Jensen acting, not only in this episode, but during the season, those guys are improving. Umm sorry still I need to process what I watched last night...

[hells_half_acre]

Agreed agreed. I found the BMoL interesting when there was Mick around to watch as he slowly (or quickly) came over to Sam and Dean's side of things. But yeah, then they killed him, so where's the fun now?

But yes, Jared and Jensen continue to do a really good job. I think this year with both of them having babies, it's also been a little bit "light" on the Winchesters at times, which would be fine if the other storylines were stronger, but they just aren't.

I turned my positive into a negative there. :P

[rovallie5]

Oh sorry you feel negative again, let me try something to cheer you up; yeah J2 had their babies, and because of it we had fewer scenes of them, but hey they're wonderful dads. And everytime they're on screen is awesome.

Yeah, going back to the BMol, now we deal with a bunch of psych killers, beginning with ketch. Sorry to bring that negative topic...umm the actor does a good villain lol

[khek]

I wonder how far out they plotted this season, or if they were kind of like "Oh, let's just write and see where it takes us?" I guess that might be brave, but considering the result

[hells_half_acre]

Yeah, to me it really "reads" like they're writing as they go with no outline.

And yeah, that was kind of my point with the repetition - it's absolutely pointless, because the only people who will understand what is going on will be people who watch regularly, and THEY don't need the repetition - so it becomes obvious that it's in there just to fill time, because they couldn't think of an actual worthwhile scene to have instead.

I can buy that Sam and Dean wanted to keep Ketch and/or Toni alive in order to find Mary, but A)they didn't need both, and B)Once Mary was there, they should have just popped them off. Yes, Mary may have shot them, but honestly, just shoot her hand or something. She'll forgive you.

But yes, that's a good positive - it'll all soon before and maybe the writers will stumble into a plot that actually works. *rolls eyes*

[borgmama1of5]

Sam and Dean and everything connected with them and Eileen...

Sam and Dean being instantly in sync concocting the fake dialog in front of the BMoL listening device...

Sam and Dean totally outsmarting the BMoL team trying to capture them at the warehouse...

Sam and Dean capturing Lady Bevell--especially Sam's look as he stepped on her gun and she looked up at him!...

The fight between the BMoL and the boys in the bunker...

Sam and Dean's (Dean's!!!) expressions when Mary turned out to be on the wrong side...

There's your list of good points in the episode.

You're welcome :)

[hells_half_acre]

Thank you!!

You are a ray of positivity that I desperately needed. I have not been having a good week. :P

Those are all awesome things that I enjoyed very much!! :D