Quick Reaction: 12x21 There's Something About Mary

[hells_half_acre]

Alright, so, let's just be honest right out of the gate:

I hated this episode.

But, I have a rule around here, and it's that you HAVE to find the positive in a thing - and the rules apply to me too. So, yeah... yeah... let's see what I can do here.

Comments

[liliaeth]

Pretty much agreed with you.

Uhm positive...the fight scene in the bunker was pretty cool.

I'm going to have to admit that I utterly hate what they've done with the BMOL this season. They took what could have been a fascinating plot and ruined it by making them plain out evil.

At this point there are two things that could save the MOL as a plotline. (Not to mention Henry Winchester's membership of the organisation )

1. Make dr Hess a demon, or at least soulless. Literally that is. Make her an intended part of Abbadon's plan, or an ally of hers.
Make it so she infiltrated the MOL to corrupt them.

This is actually supported in that the kid Mick was made to kill didn't behave like he expected to have to kill his best friend. In contrary, his first reaction was for Mick and him to make a run for it. If this was normal, wouldn't his parents have prepared him for it?

With Hess having turned the leadership, bringing in kids like Mick with no idea of the organisation's history, it would be easy for her to slowly turn the MOL evil.

2. Have it turn out that Ketch was brainwashed like Mary was, and show him starting to fight his brainwashing. And have that be the reason he didn't just shoot them and Toni.

[hells_half_acre]

I completely agree with your two points that would save the storyline. That's partially what I was hoping for when Crowley showed up in Dr. Hess's office.

But... yeah, I'm not getting my hopes up. I think this season will just suck, save a few stand-alone episodes that were good.

[liliaeth]

Another thing I'd do in the finale, is have it turn out that Ketch is either the grown up version of the friend Mick was made to kill . So the loser of the fight isn't wasted, but is instead ressurected and brainwashed into heartlessness and obedience. (Based on the seeming eff3ctiveness of the brainwashing, I also kept wondering why they didn't just use it on the hunters, and esp on the Winchesters.)

Welk that and/or he's the father of Toni's son.

[hells_half_acre]

Oh man... they definitely need to make him the father of Toni's son if they're going to have ANY reason for giving her a son in the first place.

Or both scenarios.

But yeah... rar. We'll see I guess. I think you and I would make a much better writing team that the one that wrote this episode - and I say that knowing full well that you and I usually disagree a lot.

[liliaeth]

It's the Chekov's gun thing. You can't bring up that the character has a son, when it adds nothing to her character. Same with the flashback scene. It added nothing to the season, since they killed Mick, before it could even come to matter.

But if you bring both of those back to Ketch, and use it to finally give us some more understanding of the guy, and flesh him out beyond being the arrogant psychopath, then they might work.

Honestly, I think he two of us could actually work together pretty well, exactly because we have different opinions on so many things (the chars in specific)

It's one of the main issues with BuckLemming, in that you'd think that after 12 years of fandom continuously hating these two writers, and pretty much every single ep they've written ending up on most people's least liked lists, that someone would have figured to at the very least break them up as a duo, and see if their scripts are liked better when they're put together with another writer. You know, someone who goes in against their flaws, instead of making them worse. (also, hasn't anyone figured out yet, that it's a really bad idea to let them kill any secondary characters, not just because fandom hates losing their faves, but because they tend to do it in such a way that it's insulting to the char getting killed)

[hells_half_acre]

I agree about us being good together BECAUSE we disagree on certain things (especially the chars).

And also everything you said about Chekov's gun.

And ALSO about how it's ridiculous that no showrunner has ever thought to break up that duo or fire them or restrict their reach/content. I hate to be this person, because it sounds like the most sexist thing I can say - but I honestly believe it's because Lemming is Singer's wife. I think Singer just backs her everytime and no showrunner has had the spine to go against Singer. I think if they weren't married, then we wouldn't be having this conversation, because Lemming and/or Buckner would have been fired long ago (or at least been corralled.)

Which is another reason why I'm super pessimistic about us EVER getting rid of them. It'll be the final season of the show ever and BuckLemming are STILL going to be f*cking up the second to last episode on us and taking the lazy way out of every single writing situation.

[liliaeth]

But you'd think that if Singer likes his wife, that he'd do her the favor of getting rid of her partner, pair her up with a more well liked writer, and hope for the best. He, nor the showrunners, are doing her any favors by leaving this duo together.

[hells_half_acre]

Yeah, in which case, they're all just too stupid to realize how bad the pairing is, or their writing is. My guess is that she and Buckner like writing together, Singer doesn't have any taste in writing and doesn't know any better, and no one is going to mention anything to the boss man...

...and Singer obviously doesn't read fan reviews or seemly care that it's quite clear his wife and her writing partner suck.

Who knows. All I know is that if nothing has changed so far, it's unlikely to... and I don't see any other excuse besides a mix of nepotism, stupidity, and spinelessness.

[liliaeth]

Except that for her, this means that she'll have little to no chances of employment, aside of things her husband is involved with, once spn is over.

And no matter how much the guy running the CW likes spn, the show is not going to last forever.

Because other showrunners will notice those fan reviews, and critics reviews. They will notice her name among the least liked writers list. And they will notice the twitter hastag currently going around of #firebucklemming

[hells_half_acre]

I don't think that's a concern, as they're all at retirement age. I think they just plan to have SPN be their last show.

[ramblin_rosie]

Singer doesn't have any taste in writing

Driving by to note that RoboSam was Singer's idea, according to Sera, so he seems to be one of the chief culprits of the "Ooh, what happens if we push THIS button?" trend in the writing since Kripke left. (And that's one of the reasons I quit watching, so tough to come up with a positive for stuff I haven't seen--but apparently the Js' ability to shine despite bad writing remains undiminished, which is a credit to them.)

[hells_half_acre]

I don't mind the ideas, it's just the execution. Like - fine, push the button, but you better damn well explore what comes out of it.

Supernatural is a good show S1-S5, and then after that it's really about individual episodes that are good.

But yes, the Js forever remain a bright shining positive about the show. And I'll continue to watch to see their talent shine through, bad writing, or random actually good episode.