I always forget about the Sam thing, because it was the last thing in a whole chain of things...but, I also think it was the most important nail in that coffin.
Right. And I wasn't even thinking of the "lying about getting Sam out of Hell" thing, I was thinking of the "breaking Sam's wall" thing. It's true, Castiel thought he could fix it, but that turned out to not be true (or while he had the ability, he was too high on power and rightousness to actually fulfill the promise). But even if he hadn't promised to fix him, hurting Sam really is the last thing you ever do in a friendship with Dean.
OMG the not specifying am or pm pissed me off so much, lol (then again I much prefer 24 hour time!)
Castiel has been on my shit-list for a long time - but let me tell you the main reason. Beyond the whole letting Sam out of the panic room thing, blaming him for the apocalypse later on in season 5, and being a dick to Dean on several occasions, but here's my real problem during season 7:
this angel was brought back by God over and over and over- and THEN he goes and swallows down Purgatory declares himself God, slaughters his brethren left and right...and meanwhile Lucifer and Michael are down in the Cage forever. If I was Lucifer- I'd be fucking furious!
Very true. I always imagined that God brought him back again and again because he was crucial to something...and you could argue that he was crucial to ending the apocalypse, but why bring him back after that? To destroy Raphael? Why does God have it out for his arch-angels so bad? If I were the archangels, I'd be pissed too. :P
And if I were Adam, I'd also be pretty goddamn furious.
I completely agree with your assessment of Castiel and of his actions and relationship with Dean. No matter what help Castiel was in the past it doesn't automatically excuse all wrongs.
I couldn't agree with you more on Castiel. I never saw him as a friend to Dean. In season four he was actively planning on destroying Sam and deliberately undermining the brotherly relationship. He flipped sides in season five and then continually berated Dean and Sam for starting the Apocalypse, without ever mentioning his part in starting things. I never forgave him for letting Sam out of the panic room and for not informing Dean that the voice mail had been changed. Plus he took the amulet on his useless search for God
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Yes, exactly. I mean, the only thing I can defend in there is his S4 motivations - in that I don't think Castiel realized that he was actively destroying the brothers and bringing about the apocalypse until OTHOAP...and then he was cowed into continuing, but at the very least rebellled at the end...but then he went and blamed it all on Sam, even though Sam was acting on the belief that he was preventing things, and Castiel WHO KNEW was the one that let Sam loose to make a mistake.
Anyway...yeah... I don't dislike Castiel, I just see him as a horribly flawed person who has a LOT of work to do in order to be redeemed at all.
I think part of the problem is that somehow a lot of the people I follow on tumblr are Misha/Castiel fans...I'm not sure how this happened. I need more tumblrs to follow, but the problem is that so many of them spoil like there's no tomorrow.
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I always forget about the Sam thing, because it was the last thing in a whole chain of things...but, I also think it was the most important nail in that coffin.
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(then again I much prefer 24 hour time!)
Castiel has been on my shit-list for a long time - but let me tell you the main reason. Beyond the whole letting Sam out of the panic room thing, blaming him for the apocalypse later on in season 5, and being a dick to Dean on several occasions, but here's my real problem during season 7:
this angel was brought back by God over and over and over- and THEN he goes and swallows down Purgatory declares himself God, slaughters his brethren left and right...and meanwhile Lucifer and Michael are down in the Cage forever.
If I was Lucifer- I'd be fucking furious!
Sorry for the language there ; )
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And if I were Adam, I'd also be pretty goddamn furious.
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I really, really wanted one of Sam's Hellucinations to involve Adam too
(and yes- totally agreed about the Archangels.)
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Anyway...yeah... I don't dislike Castiel, I just see him as a horribly flawed person who has a LOT of work to do in order to be redeemed at all.
I think part of the problem is that somehow a lot of the people I follow on tumblr are Misha/Castiel fans...I'm not sure how this happened. I need more tumblrs to follow, but the problem is that so many of them spoil like there's no tomorrow.
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