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May 09, 2018 21:20

There is a new Vorkosiverse novella coming! About Ekaterin -- "The Flowers of Vashnoi". Which, on the one hand, is not what I most wan to see in this universe (that would be Galeni, Gregor, and Ivan dealing with fatherhood please!), but I am still delighted by the fact of more Vorkosiverse.

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33. Paper Girls, vol.1 (Brian K. Vaughan, art by Cliff ( Read more... )

a: ursula leguin, movie, gn, a: nnedi okorafor, ya, a: becky albertalli, a: jonathan kellerman, a: brian vaughan, a: maggie stiefvater, fic rec, short stories, podcast, reading, a: sarah pinsker, vorkosigan

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meathiel May 10 2018, 16:40:24 UTC
You've done a lot of reading lately ... more than I have. ;-) Nothing to put on my wishlist for once ... haha ...

I haven't watched The Shape of Water yet but I have to admit I'm not such a big fan of del Toro's films either - the only one I really like is Crimson Peak ... probably because it's so Gothic! Pan's Labyrinth? Don't get me started ...

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hamsterwoman May 11 2018, 19:23:57 UTC
Except that most of these things are very short -- only 2 things on this list are full-length novels, and one is a silly thriller, a little over 300 pages in hardcover, and the other is a YA book :)

I saw the trailer for Pan's Labyrinth way back when, and that was plenty to convince me I didn't want to watch it. Crimson Peak looked a little more interesting, but Gothic is really not my genre, so I made no effort to seek it out, though I'd probably watch it idly if it was playing on a screen in front of me.

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meathiel May 11 2018, 19:39:13 UTC
Crimson Peak actually was better than I thought it would be. I missed it first time at the big screen as I wasn't that interested - then 2 years ago they showed it during WGT for free and we went and I really loved it. Pretty gory, though. But - Gothic , Victorian times AND Tom Hiddles ... what can go wrong? ;-)

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hamsterwoman May 11 2018, 20:26:28 UTC
Ugh, I don't know, with the gore... The finger stuff in Shape of Water was bad enough. There are movies where I don't even mind gore, though I don't watch movies where gore is the point, but something about how del Toro does it -- the mood setting, or how it's drawn out or something -- makes it worse...

Tom Hiddlestone, though... Decisions, decisions!

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ani_mama May 10 2018, 18:03:07 UTC
There are more Earthsea stories? I read the trilogy back in uni and liked it, but had no idea it was continued.

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hamsterwoman May 11 2018, 19:21:59 UTC
Yes! There is a 4th book, Tehanu, that is a true sequel to the trilogy, in that Tenar and Ged are major characters. It came out in 1990, so like 20 years after the original trilogy wrapped up, and it's pretty different in mood and focus. I don't love it as much as the original books, but I preferred young Ged to older Ged anyway. And then there's The Other Wing which came out 10 years after THAT, and it's also a sequel, but either I've never read it or I don't remember it at all / it's merged with Tehanu for me.

There are also several novellas and short stories set in the same universe, collected in various ways, some with unrelated characters, some interwoven with characters from the trilogy.

I just learned the other day that a book collecting all the Earthsea stories is coming out later this year (1000 pages!), although I'm definitely not spending $60 on it ( ... )

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ani_mama May 11 2018, 19:26:14 UTC
Hmmm. With 50 Charles Vess illustrations, it might actually be worth the price...

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hamsterwoman May 11 2018, 19:35:28 UTC
I definitely want to see the illustrations (both in general, and because I liked Charles Vess's art on Sandman), so hopefully the library will get a copy I can leaf through or something... But I'm very attached to my ancient used bookstore copies of the original trilogy, and tend to only acquire books in duplicate if I'm going to be lending out the other copy, which I don't see happening here.

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rinkafushi May 10 2018, 18:45:46 UTC
Your impression of Shape of Water is very similar to my own, yeah - I think that the dark fairytale trope worked so much better in Pan's Labyrinth because there, you had the class of reality versus fantasy, while in Shape of Water, both coexisted, which somehow weakened certain points. On the other hand, the entire thing is being told to us by the painter, so it's not even clear if most of it happened the way we hear it. The happy ending in particular seems like him trying to fix the story to himself (again, this was done better in Pan's Labyrinth which is just the better movie all around). One thing that surprised me was that the sign language wasn't even used more in communication between the creature and Eliza - did he learn anything beyond egg and you/me at all?

The fingore scenes were the wooooorst. Ugh I felt so sick watching them D: M< mother was similarly shocked and I said, well, it was rated R, and she just said "I thought that was for the implied fish sex!". She really had some issues with that, I think :'D

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hamsterwoman May 11 2018, 19:30:41 UTC
I've not seen Pan's Labyrinth, because dark fairy tales are hit or miss for me in general, and definitely not something likely to work for me in a visual medium, where I'm a lot more squeamish.

On the other hand, the entire thing is being told to us by the painter, so it's not even clear if most of it happened the way we hear it. The happy ending in particular seems like him trying to fix the story to himself

Hmm, I hadn't thought of the implications of this beyond the constructed nature of the narrative in general, but... hm, OK. I guess at root, I just don't care enough about the story to spend more time thinking about it, so the nuances are lost on me.

One thing that surprised me was that the sign language wasn't even used more in communication between the creature and Eliza - did he learn anything beyond egg and you/me at all? Yeah, same, and you and I are not the only people who had that complaint. I mean, I realize there was a time skip and stuff, but by the end, we didn't see any evidence that he's learned much else beyond ( ... )

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rinkafushi May 11 2018, 21:41:27 UTC
I'm not big on fairytale subversions in general, either, but after thinking a while about why I liked Pan's Labyrinth better than Shape of Water, I found a few possible answers? (Although it might also be "One you saw at age 17, the other at 25, and boy have you become jaded regarding subversion in between"). Pan's Labyrinth is set in an actual war zone as opposed to the schizophrenic Cold War environment, and it's from a girl's perspective rather than that of a grown woman. You can watch PL and cut out all supernatural elements and what you get is a war story, but you can't cut out the fantastical elements from SoW. In PL, it's a bit up to you if you think everything regarding the faun is just the girl coping with the harsh reality, or if it really happens, and the juxtaposition of the arbitrary and sometimes cruel rules of the fairy world are reflected in that of army vs. rebels. Meanwhile, I didn't get a clear reading on what SoW was really tackling - that absolute monsters can lurk in the guise of successful people..? As you said ( ... )

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hamsterwoman May 12 2018, 00:46:40 UTC
I actually do like fairy tale subversions, but I think I prefer them to be on the humorous side... And, like, wry and genre-savvy?

You can watch PL and cut out all supernatural elements and what you get is a war story, but you can't cut out the fantastical elements from SoW

That's a good point. Like, I actually like magical realism as a genre, but I think where it works for me best if precisely as you say -- where it's an echo or counterpoint to something else, whereas here it just felt a little bit flat? one-dimensional? lacking in nuance, in any case, I though.

The other movie people have compared SoW to a lot is Amélie, bizarrely enough

Ha, I never would've thought of that comparison, but I can kind of see a similar vibe in the oddly charming daily life aspects? Like the lab stuff and espionage and torture were very much at odds, but the cozier moments (which I liked best) did have something in common with Amelie (which is a movie I like a lot).

so seeing it done so half-heartedly in SoW was a bit disheartening.I liked it ( ... )

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majesticzaichik May 11 2018, 23:45:59 UTC
Aw, I really love Del Torro films. He's one of my favorite directors. I actually think another film should have gotten best picture this year, Three Billboards, but I still liked Shape of the Water.

Lol I think the same thing as you as to why they can't just hire Russian actors. Especially in minor roles. But this is probably one of those things that would only bother Russian speakers. The time I was most bothered by something like this was actually in my favorite (original) Star Trek movie, the 4th one, where there was this running joke with Chekhov looking for the "wessel" and confusing all the 20th century people. It really irritated me because there is no "w" sound in Russian!! So the whole joke was especially annoying to me. Now that I think about it, it would have pleased me if the joke was about his intonation being off so he could say something like "vyesil" and that would be equally as confusing. At least Anton Yelchin was a native Russian-speaker so he could fake a good Russian accent, but now he's passed : (.

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hamsterwoman May 12 2018, 00:36:18 UTC
I can totally see why people love del Toro films -- aesthetically, it was really beautifully done, and, like, it was a near-perfect realization of the thing it set out to be. I just don't think I want to watch the kind of things del Toro is so good at making, you know? Like, objectively, I see it's a very well done film (though I was expecting something... meatier to win Best Picture. I haven't seen Three Billboards yet, but have heard only great things about it, so presumably something like that.)

But this is probably one of those things that would only bother Russian speakers.Yeah, probably... But I almost feel like at this point it's easier to find a Russian actor for a minor role than have to have a non-Russian-speaker stumble around with Russian dialogue? Even if nobody cares, that's still extra effort for the actor (they probably at least try to approximate pronunciation? I assume?), and my guess is that emoting is harder when you're speaking what sounds like gibberish to yourself? IDK ( ... )

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majesticzaichik May 16 2018, 00:29:38 UTC
If you check out Three Billboards sometime, I hope you write about it!

Yeah, that was a rather odd choice! (I've actually never watched the original Trek -- I'm kind of allergic to William Shatner's face :P

Oh no! Ok Shatner himself is kind of annoying, and Kirk is definitely the most annoying Trek Captain, but back then he was incredibly hot IMO XD. Also Nimoy wasn't so bad looking either. I never watched much of anything in the series because 60s-80s sci fi shows have a lot of elements that I'm really not fond of, but I did enjoy the majority of the movies.

-- but I've heard about the "wessels" and it's really silly ("vyesil" would've been much more logical!) -- but I can kiiiinda hand-wave it for myself, because I have seen Russians (myself included, sometimes) get confused when having to alternate sounds that don't exist in Russian but exist in English with the closest Russian sounds. I mean something like the word "thousands" -- my father often says "thouthandth" instead, because he's focused so hard on getting that initial ( ... )

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hamsterwoman May 16 2018, 07:34:43 UTC
I will definitely write about Three Billboards if I watch it!

but back then he was incredibly hot IMO XD. Also Nimoy wasn't so bad looking either.

Haha! I'm OK with young William Shatner's looks as long as I don't have to watch him act :) But the weird thing is that I find Chris Pine in Kirk mode way hotter than Chris Pine in any other role (or out of character), even though he looks a LOT like Shatner in that role. What makes the difference, I don't know!

I do like Nimoy, though, no argument there :)

I confess I haven't watched ANY Trek beyond the reboot movies, so all I know is through fannish osmosis and, like, Tumblr gifs. It's one of those canons too sprawling and daunting for me to get into at this late date, like Doctor Who or superhero comics... :P

I think some people have a hard time identifying it as Russian as it doesn't sound like a stereotypical Russian accent. It's always cute when random strangers tell her "you have such a pretty voice! Is your accent French?" lol. No one has ever guessed Russian.My mother ( ... )

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lyssa027 May 12 2018, 05:56:44 UTC
Leah and the Off-beat is on my TBR list

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hamsterwoman May 12 2018, 06:26:22 UTC
It was very charming and a fun read, same caliber as Simon. I hope you enjoy it as much as L and I did!

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