So, about marriage for gays and lesbians...

[gunhilda]

It's been a week since the election, and I've been following the events in California surrounding Proposition 8.  I confess that I was unable to fully rejoice in Obama's election because of the votes in Florida, Arizona, and California banning gay marriage. If those states, with their thriving gay communities, are faced with such prejudice, what

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[sunkrux]

Word. I was so disappointed that it got passed. I really wanted to vote OH HELL NO but only got no. It's that whole church and state should be separate thing you know. But those religious fanatics think that their religion should be all up in the state and it just pisses me off. The main reason this country was founded was because the church had too much say in the state.

One step forward, two steps back.

[gunhilda]

Yeah, maybe some day, though. Ten years ago, I never would have thought they would be legal in any state. I don't know if I'll see it in my lifetime, but perhaps some day.

[seldearslj]

I'm religious and I have no trouble separating the religious marriage vs. civil marriage.

I'll admit, I'm glad it's not me who has to underwrite the legislation; but ultimately I believe in fairness for all people - I'll leave judgement up to God - and Prop 8 simply doesn't seem fair to me. If people are willing to commit to each other, then I say let them share the awesome and the awful of marriage and good luck to them!

My only requirement would be that any marriage celebrant - religious or civil - be permitted to draw their own lines about who they will or will not marry as their beliefs dictate.

[gunhilda]

I absolutely agree with your only requirement. :) It is about fairness, and the only justification for Prop 8 that I can see is simple prejudice.

[katcorvi]

Yes, Prop 8's success did put a damper on the glee over Obama. I do not understand why people refuse to separate civil and religious, but all I can figure is that those people are too scared or bigoted to think things through. It is very sad for everyone. I hope that this changes in our lifetimes.

[gunhilda]

I hope it changes, too.

ETA: My love for that icon knows no limit.

[katcorvi]

Snag the icon! Give credit to _lore.

[anonymous]

I was dissapointed when prop 8 passed too. I hoped for progress. Thankfully, we've got marriage rights here (albeit its called 'civil partnership' to emphasise the seperation between the legal and religious elements of marriage). I personally think everyone should have the right to enter into a civil marriage free of religious elements if they want to. It isn't what I'd choose (I'm rather religious), but I think it should be an option for everyone.

[gunhilda]

I'd be happy if they called it U.S. Civil Rights Form 6969 if they'd let me sign the bottom line and get the rights. :)

For some people the concept of calling it marriage is very important, and I understand that. There are religious reasons for it, and there are equality issues that play into it, as well. In an ideal world, it would be called marriage for everyone, and I agree that would be the best-case, most equitable solution. But I'm more concerned about getting the benefits than the semantics behind what they're called.

[tittamiire]

And guh...That anonymous comment was me....LJ logged me out somehow.

[gunhilda]

:)