Sometimes I feel like a happy ending/beginning is waiting for them and sometimes I feel like season 9 will be the last we'll see of our ship in canon.
THIS. Except I'm not sure I ever really foresee a happy "ending" for them. I want one, and I don't think it would be unrealistic at all, but I don't think Joss goes by realism when he could string shippers along instead. I think the latter is a more likely possibility; I could see Buffy rejecting him and saying she just wants to be friends and that be the driving force behind giving Spike a series of his own during S10. Spike saying that he wasn't going to stick around if all she wanted was friendship could be setting up his departure from the series. :/
Buffy is an enormous jerk for saying, “But, Spike, if I were trying to have a normal life…you’d be exactly what I’d be running from,”
That was my initial reaction, too, except I used words much stronger than "jerk." :-P But, when I went over it again and thought about everything she's been saying lately (e.g., she fails at normal, she's not ready for responsibility), I think she was trying to say that she isn't looking for "normal." She tried normal with the job and friends and apartment, but all that went to pot. She wound up living with a vampire on an inter-dimensional-traveling spaceship, complaining about giant insect legs littering her room. I think maybe she's beginning to realize that "normal" isn't her cup of tea, but she said it in the complete the wrong way. She realizes she screwed up, but it's too late. If someone had said those words to me, I would have heard them exactly as Spike did. I admire his ability to walk away; I probably would have throttled her. :-P
“I can give you what you need. I want normal, too
( ... )
I think maybe she's beginning to realize that "normal" isn't her cup of tea, but she said it in the complete the wrong way.
Yeah... I can see Buffy phrasing something innocuous in a way that seemed hurtful, but I have a hard time seeing that in this situation. I don't think she meant to hurt him or be mean, but I don't think the sentiment is innocuous; her tone seems very sincere, as though she really thinks that Spike couldn't be an integral part of a normal life.
I'm also confused because in the previous issue she said she couldn't have a child right now because her human life was in such shambles, whereas here, it seems she's back to thinking that having a child is impossible because she's a slayer ("If I was going to flout every slayer instinct..."). The way she described it last issue, her slayer instincts and motherhood were compatible because she had support from him, Dawn, Xander, etc.; it was the "Buffy" part of her that wasn't ready. So maybe her implication is supposed to be that she'd be okay with daddy!Spike if she
( ... )
Well, I think by definition, "normal" implies "good" and "right." Clearly that isn't always the case since context is everything (not to mention subjective), but since "abnormal" is in general used to imply that there's something wrong with someone/something, I think "normal" implies "acceptable/correct/best."
So while I'm sure Buffy didn't mean to hurt him, and I don't know if she aspires to be normal or what her context is, I think that yes, the statement "you're not normal" is inherently offensive.
Also, I feel so vindicated by “’Cause I don’t want to be the dark place you run to when things aren’t working” because I hated that "dark place" line back in #40 and everyone else was like, “OH MY GOD IT’S THE BEST THING EVER.” No, I really think it’s not. That was not Buffy telling Spike she needed and wanted him in her life. That was Buffy telling Spike she needed him when she was miserable and wanted to wallow. Big difference. I’m really freaking glad that Spike is calling her on it.
THIIIIIIIIIIIS. I haven't actually read the comics in ages, but this was something that really irked me about the #40 or #37 or whenever it was discussion.
And pretty much WORD to all your robo-Buffy thoughts. I can't even with Joss anymore.
this was something that really irked me about the #40 or #37 or whenever it was discussion.
Really glad I'm not alone!
And pretty much WORD to all your robo-Buffy thoughts. I can't even with Joss anymore.
It's a shame because it could potentially be a really interesting storyline (I've seen fic where Buffy's consciousness has to be put in a bot and it's extremely poignant/dark/intriguing), but I don't trust Joss anymore, especially if there's a baby involved. :(
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Oh gosh, spuffy shippers are going to be bi-polar by the end of 9 aren't they? (I think it's too late for me!)
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Ooh, really? When did he say that?
Sometimes I feel like a happy ending/beginning is waiting for them and sometimes I feel like season 9 will be the last we'll see of our ship in canon.
THIS. Except I'm not sure I ever really foresee a happy "ending" for them. I want one, and I don't think it would be unrealistic at all, but I don't think Joss goes by realism when he could string shippers along instead. I think the latter is a more likely possibility; I could see Buffy rejecting him and saying she just wants to be friends and that be the driving force behind giving Spike a series of his own during S10. Spike saying that he wasn't going to stick around if all she wanted was friendship could be setting up his departure from the series. :/
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That was my initial reaction, too, except I used words much stronger than "jerk." :-P But, when I went over it again and thought about everything she's been saying lately (e.g., she fails at normal, she's not ready for responsibility), I think she was trying to say that she isn't looking for "normal." She tried normal with the job and friends and apartment, but all that went to pot. She wound up living with a vampire on an inter-dimensional-traveling spaceship, complaining about giant insect legs littering her room. I think maybe she's beginning to realize that "normal" isn't her cup of tea, but she said it in the complete the wrong way. She realizes she screwed up, but it's too late. If someone had said those words to me, I would have heard them exactly as Spike did. I admire his ability to walk away; I probably would have throttled her. :-P
“I can give you what you need. I want normal, too ( ... )
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Yeah... I can see Buffy phrasing something innocuous in a way that seemed hurtful, but I have a hard time seeing that in this situation. I don't think she meant to hurt him or be mean, but I don't think the sentiment is innocuous; her tone seems very sincere, as though she really thinks that Spike couldn't be an integral part of a normal life.
I'm also confused because in the previous issue she said she couldn't have a child right now because her human life was in such shambles, whereas here, it seems she's back to thinking that having a child is impossible because she's a slayer ("If I was going to flout every slayer instinct..."). The way she described it last issue, her slayer instincts and motherhood were compatible because she had support from him, Dawn, Xander, etc.; it was the "Buffy" part of her that wasn't ready. So maybe her implication is supposed to be that she'd be okay with daddy!Spike if she ( ... )
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So while I'm sure Buffy didn't mean to hurt him, and I don't know if she aspires to be normal or what her context is, I think that yes, the statement "you're not normal" is inherently offensive.
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THIIIIIIIIIIIS. I haven't actually read the comics in ages, but this was something that really irked me about the #40 or #37 or whenever it was discussion.
And pretty much WORD to all your robo-Buffy thoughts. I can't even with Joss anymore.
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Really glad I'm not alone!
And pretty much WORD to all your robo-Buffy thoughts. I can't even with Joss anymore.
It's a shame because it could potentially be a really interesting storyline (I've seen fic where Buffy's consciousness has to be put in a bot and it's extremely poignant/dark/intriguing), but I don't trust Joss anymore, especially if there's a baby involved. :(
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