Demonic Possesion-Today's Fun Question!

[greenwillow27]

In cases of demonic possession how do you kill the demon? I don't mean just drive him out, or bind him in a lead box,  I mean kill the sucker dead. Does anyone know? In most of the literature, serious or fantasy, seems like all you can do is kill the host and the demon migrates to a new host, right?

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[horsetechie]

I heard this on some radio talk show late last summer:

Tell Jesus to deal with it ...Seriously! *nods*

Actually, I can't remember all the details now... prolly was more of a banishing of the demon hosts plaguing the person. They said they prayed to Jesus to stop it, and it went away. Didn't really specify what was done to the demons though.

Could imagine it getting locked up in Hell, because that is actually worse than death. Being caged up, and never let loose to do what it wants to please its deepest desires. All while being tormented by extreme heat, and eaten by creepy crawly worms that never get full. They really hate that. *grins*

*goes away now*

[greenwillow27]

That's all well and good, but how does one get the demon to go back to Hell in the first place?
;o)

Oh and I must hasten to add, this isn't for me! It's for a guy who believes he's damned anyway, cut off, so isn't counting on God's help.
Also, he's fictional.
;o)

[horsetechie]

*nods* Not that I was trying to push Jesus or anthing. Just giving some insight as to why many would favor the use of a cross when warding off vampires and the like in some movies.

Although.. yes, said person has to have a belief in the higher power for the banishing to hell to work. Google has many good things, and here is a page that describes what I am talking about: http://www.trueghosttales.com/paranormal/how-to-get-rid-of-demons/

[greenwillow27]

Cool-- thanks fer da linky!

Yeah, my demons and my vampires are separate entities. Demons are definitely foul and ill-intentioned.
My vampires aren't any more "evil" than lions are "evil" for preying on gazelles. Humans just happen to be the natural food source for them.
;o)

[reasonabledist]

(Random responses that may or may not go together or make sense):

I can't remember ever hearing about a way to kill a demon -- all you can do is get it out of the physical realm and back into the demon realm. (Presumably demons can kill each other?) Even The Exorcist only really dealt with getting the demon out of that little girl, though it's interesting that they didn't seem too worried that it would simply find new lodgings.

Demons are supposed to be the opposite number to angels, and those can't be killed either.

Though...as far as I can remember, all the vampire-killing remedies had their origins in attempts to pin down/destroy the demon that was thought to have taken over the dead flesh.

Oh, hey, speaking of that: the only thing I do remember that had to do with demon-killing was all out of Anne Rice's books! Probably no good to you at the time, but her characters believed that a demon that had taken possession of a human (by making it a vampire, natch) would be destroyed if all of its hosts -- all the vampires -- died

[greenwillow27]

...knowing the demon's name allowed you to control it, and maybe that includes destroying it?

AH!! Okay, this is the closest thing so far to something I can probably use!
Thank you!

I didn't read the last few of Rice's books. So that's where she went, eh? Vampire as demon? That kinda makes sense given her later conversion.

[reasonabledist]

I have a book called The Encyclopedia of Witchcraft & Demonology by Rossell Hope Williams. I have no idea how this got in the house, but it makes my in-laws uncomfortable, so we keep it. I just did a quick skim through the sections on demons and exorcism, and I'm not finding anything about killing demons at all.

If you want the names and attributes of some of these demons, when you get to that point, let me know -- I'd live to get some use out of this book beyond scaring my guests!

[greenwillow27]

LOL!

Some Fae creature with a lovely sense of humor no doubt planted that on your house. Little trouble-makers. ;o)

Yes, thank you! I'm looking for a Trickster sort of demon, actually. (One who promises great things in exchange for a terrible price, and gets really ticked off when he's the one who is tricked.)

[saralinda]

Hmmmm....this isn't an emergency, is it?

[greenwillow27]

LOL!

No, no. It won't be urgent for another few chapters. Then I'm gonna have to come up with *something*.

[saralinda]

K, 'cuz I was picturing you barricaded in your bathroom or something with a Giant Demon Thing shuddering away at the door and you sort of holding the door closed with one hand and typing calmly away on your laptop with the other.

...

GLAD THAT WASN'T THE CASE. And I have nothing at all valuable to offer this conversation WHATSOEVER.

[greenwillow27]

I had exactly the same image come to mind when you asked if it was an emergency. Now I almost want to draw the cartoon.

[morningstar4]

Hmmm...I'm not going to be very helpful, because the only thing I really know of is exorcism. And I'm not sure what exactly that does to a demon besides drive it out of someone's body. Does it go back to hell? I have no idea. I would think prayer would be a big one, but you said something about the character not counting on God's help, so...hmmm...

Maybe there can be someone who is powerful enough to overcome a demon or drive it out of someone all on his/her own? Dunno how that would work exactly. Could there be good demons who would be willing to drive bad demons away? Like battle them somehow with similar powers/strength?

Sorry I'm not much help.

[greenwillow27]

I'm beginning abandon the idea of killing it. There don't seem to be references anywhere to actually killing one (Biblical canon, folklore, or other religious traditions) except by Divine intervention.
So now I'm thinking along the the lines of bartering, deal -making and deception...

There actually is another immortal entity involved who already fought the demon and lost, hence the mess that everyone is having to deal with.

[morningstar4]

Maybe there would be a way to banish or destroy its soul. Then again...do demons really HAVE souls? Hmm...

Bartering sounds like it could be interesting though. You would have to have something pretty exceptional to offer in exchange I would think. Also, it sounds like your demon means business.

[greenwillow27]

Eeeep!
The temptation to explain every juicy plot point to you now is almost overwhelming!
::sits on hands::

Yes, my demon really wants something. Yes, he's deadly serious. Yes, ::Mprhfgllph!!:::

[boredshinigami]

Yes, those Winchester boys are a bit of a disappointment in this area... yep, a disappointment indeed!

Sorry, no helpful info to give myself in this area whatsoever.

[greenwillow27]

And now we know *why* they fail at demon extermination! Can't be done, I guess.

I love where Supernatural has gone the last couple of seasons. I guess some people are upset that the writers are borrowing so heavily from the Bible because it feels like they're muddying gospel, and others are upset cuz they don't like the religious tone of it now, but I think it's very cool.

[boredshinigami]

Haven't watched it the last 2 or 3 years, kinda lost interest about the same time I stopped watching Smallville. I think the last episode I saw a few scenes of, there was an angel or something... not really sure since I missed the beginning and didn't know what had been happening previously. (in the continuing storyline)
Oh, I think that last actual episode I saw was the one where their dad died. (He did die, didn't he?! or am I possibly mixing it up with another show?)

[greenwillow27]

Yes, John Winchester died at the end of um... I forget which season. It's full of angels and demons now. And Lucifer his own bad self, too.

I think I really began to get into it about the time you lost interest. Now I'm totally hooked.
;o)