spn 5x05 "fallen idols"

[grace_fully]

OKAY ONE THING, made me scream so #$(#%(#%*) loud, because i have spent all day reading the amazing and wonderful, beautiful, intense, aching easy on the clutch by winterweathered.

and yes, i do get 90% of my reading from karabou, because she has impeccable taste.

anyway

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[karabou]

SAM SAYING, WE WEREN'T GOOD BEFORE. WE HAVE TO BE BETTER. omg like, what!!! the sam and dean we've always loved isn't the best they could be?! THERE'S MORE?!

LMAO

THIS CANNOT POSSIBLY BE TRUE FOR ANYTHING BUT SEASON 4, THOUGH. Right? I mean, Dean treated Sam in a little brotherly fashion forever, cause he IS, but not in THAT way. AM I REMEMBERING THINGS WRONG?

Also, I love that you read my recs! I have a lot for you, we'll talk.

[grace_fully]

dude i don't know, i feel like there has always been intense turmoil, and some measure of nonacceptance --

s1: fighting over sam wanting to go back to school, & then wanting revenge
s2: dean being too cold and reckless after dad died
s3: the ENDLESS FIGHT OVER sam trying to save dean's soul omg
s4: obv the ruby stuff and then some
s5: HARMONY AND LOVE?!?!?! COULD IT BE?! MUTUAL RESPECT, ALL THE TIME? maybe some more pranksies?!

<3333 BOYS. i'm ready for whatever.

[karabou]

No no, I don't mean that, I mean Dean keeping Sam on a short leash. (LOL sorry I can see how my comment probably made NO SENSE to you up there) IDK I COULDN'T GET ON BOARD WITH SAM'S DRAMA THIS EP. I want to love you, Sam, but your immediate R U SAYING I NEED TRAINING WHEELS? type comments immediately make my eyes roll.

I'm sorry, I hate my own negativity. XD SPN, I love you forever, I swear.

[grace_fully]

omg i knooow sam can be so whiny, but i always thought that he was whiny and dean was just RIGHT, you know? like, sam's whines were just whines for whining's sake. superficial conflict.

but here i really felt like, yeah sam. you need to speak up for yourself cause dean is being a little shitbag, thinking he has a right to own your ass, and keep you in a box, and that you have to jump when he says jump.

i don't knooow i just felt like it was different this time? so i was loving it. but i get where you are coming from, sammy can be such a little WHINY BITCH, UGH. i don't know how dean stands it.

[winterweathered]

HERE'S SOMETHING THAT IS INTERESTING.

In Wendigo, the SECOND EPISODE, Sam is 22 years old and hasn't been hunting in years, and he just straight up says "I'm driving," and TAKES THE KEYS AND GETS IN THE CAR.

Now, Sam is BUILT LIKE A BRICK SHITHOUSE, he's like THE BEST HUNTER EVER, and just spent an entire episode asserting his MAD BRAIN SKILLS, and he's twenty-six years old. And he's like "Wait, what? Are you sure you're letting me drive? Are you suuuure? Are you going to change your mind?"

I FEEL SAD FOR HIM. He's so INSECURE about Dean now. He's more insecure now than he was after four years of separation. And his whole, "You think I need training wheels?" thing... he's SO FREAKED OUT INSIDE. He's so convinced Dean doesn't love him anymore. It's sad.

Also, I firmly believe that Dean handing over those keys was the equivalent to getting down on one knee. "HERE, SAM, MY HEART IS IN YOUR HANDS."

[grace_fully]

HAHA yes! I totally remember that, I watched it a few weeks ago because I'm obsessed with chin-jutting, skinny boney sam.

Sam needs a freakin break :( I am sort of loving his skittishness, its sweet, because he still is just so desperate for deans acceptance. But it is starting to infuriate me that dean isn't giving it. Like, wasn't there a whole episode devoted to dean telling himself that his dad was a bastard and he's twice the man john was? Get with the program, get up off your brother and let him pwn you already.

YOU KNOW YOU WANT IT, you big softie with your big, fat, girly tears.

[winterweathered]

Dean's whole "I am secretly a huge Samgirl apologist and this wasn't all your fault" speech at the end of this episode was nice. But I thought what he said on the phone with Bobby was bitchy. :( Almost to the point that it was out of character! "WELL, WE ALL KNOW WHO'S FAULT THIS IS," or whatever. It felt... unlike him. I feel like Dean might give Sam a hard time to Sam, but it feels wrong for him to be more or less talking shit about Sam to other people.

Anyway. I'm glad he fixed it at the end because I was a little mad at him.

[karabou]

I am really pleased that I'm not the only one who felt this scene was WRONG. I mean, even when Dean gives Sam a hard time to Sam, it's never like THAT. I said it somewhere else, and I'll say it again... It almost seemed like he was joking around, and that it was meant to be misinterpreted. For half the ep I was waiting for Dean to say, oh, I wasn't talking about you, I meant the turkey I left in the oven! Or just something unrelated. Because then at the end of the ep, even, he said, neither of us knew what we were doing when we broke the seals. So...then why are you like, Hey Bobby, we know whose fault the apocalypse was! lol! ALMOST LIKE THE VOICEMAIL IN 4x22. Ugh idk, this scene was so wrong for me it will plague me forever. XD

[dugindeep]

I do not know what the heck happened in those promos but I did detect some DAVID CARUSO MOCKERY AND I SAY BAAAAAARING IT! I LOLed so hard at that bit.

The goofy tv sitcom bit scares me, and the game show? WTF KRIP? But whatever. I just like seeing these boys being so hot on my TV.

[grace_fully]

the scary this is, it looks like a montage that came out of one show, which. oh god. like five different television platforms in one ep? SHOW CANNOT BE CONTAINED BY PRIMETIME DRAMA.

also i'm dumb, who is david caruso and what is the mockery of him!

speaking of mockery, i watched after-school special the other day and laughed so hard at HE-RO it hurt.

[dugindeep]

Yes, montage now makes sense. Can I haz Seinfeld? Jared as Kramer?!?!

OMFG MICHELLE where have you been the last twenty years? Caruso was on NYPD Blue and now he's on CSI: Miami with the srs glasses of doom. Rewatch the promo and when they're in suit jackets, blue shirts, and sunglasses, Jared pulls his off all srs bsns and looks pinchy faced with a srs scratchy voice, and it is SO Caruso in CSI!

[corbyinoz]

I disliked the way Dean was written in this ep. It was a typical unsubtle Julie Siege script, so Dean was OTT in the way he was treating Sam. I cannot recall him *ever* behaving like that with Sam before, and it was very unfair of him - also, very unlike him (read; out of character). So we had to have that in order for Sam to be allowed his little speech about growing up? Sigh. JS, so not my favourite SPN writer.

You know, if you have to stand there and say you're grown up, or ask someone else to let you do so? That's pretty much a dead giveaway that you're *not*.

[karabou]

Agreed. Yes, Dean was acting like a dick in this ep, and he can act like that at times, but to this extent? It felt like bad writing, plain and simple.

[grace_fully]

i think the thing about this ep for me was, i completely missed that phone call. in another room, on the phone, snoozing, no idea. but i missed it! which infuriates me, because when i read about it after, i was like, wait, what? dean what?

i'm sad that some writers are so much more prone to falling into that brother-drama trap; it's annoying when the audience knows the characters better than the person writing the episode. it feels like you got jipped when you know that supernatural, in capable hands, can be natural and subtle and heart-wrenching and perfect.

[corbyinoz]

Yes, the drama trap. It's what I meant by JS being unsubtle. It happens in J2 writing, too; people think, right, we need drama - so hey, we'll make one of them (usually Jensen) be an arsehole, despite the fact that he's never given any indication he actually is one and there is plenty of evidence to the contrary. But that way we get 'drama', yayyy! It's bad writing, as Karabou said. The best drama is not between Arsehole versus Sweet L'il Innocent (thanks for 5.05, Julie Siege - I mean, she even bunged in Dean at a bar while poor widdle Sammy is slaving away - could she pile it on any thicker?). It's between decent people working in sadness and angst with the shades of grey that exist for us all.

You wrote: when you know that supernatural, in capable hands, can be natural and subtle and heart-wrenching and perfect.

YES!!!!