spn 5x05 "fallen idols"

[grace_fully]

OKAY ONE THING, made me scream so #$(#%(#%*) loud, because i have spent all day reading the amazing and wonderful, beautiful, intense, aching easy on the clutch by winterweathered.

and yes, i do get 90% of my reading from karabou, because she has impeccable taste.

anyway

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[karabou]

SAM SAYING, WE WEREN'T GOOD BEFORE. WE HAVE TO BE BETTER. omg like, what!!! the sam and dean we've always loved isn't the best they could be?! THERE'S MORE?!

LMAO

THIS CANNOT POSSIBLY BE TRUE FOR ANYTHING BUT SEASON 4, THOUGH. Right? I mean, Dean treated Sam in a little brotherly fashion forever, cause he IS, but not in THAT way. AM I REMEMBERING THINGS WRONG?

Also, I love that you read my recs! I have a lot for you, we'll talk.

[grace_fully]

dude i don't know, i feel like there has always been intense turmoil, and some measure of nonacceptance --

s1: fighting over sam wanting to go back to school, & then wanting revenge
s2: dean being too cold and reckless after dad died
s3: the ENDLESS FIGHT OVER sam trying to save dean's soul omg
s4: obv the ruby stuff and then some
s5: HARMONY AND LOVE?!?!?! COULD IT BE?! MUTUAL RESPECT, ALL THE TIME? maybe some more pranksies?!

<3333 BOYS. i'm ready for whatever.

[karabou]

No no, I don't mean that, I mean Dean keeping Sam on a short leash. (LOL sorry I can see how my comment probably made NO SENSE to you up there) IDK I COULDN'T GET ON BOARD WITH SAM'S DRAMA THIS EP. I want to love you, Sam, but your immediate R U SAYING I NEED TRAINING WHEELS? type comments immediately make my eyes roll.

I'm sorry, I hate my own negativity. XD SPN, I love you forever, I swear.

[grace_fully]

omg i knooow sam can be so whiny, but i always thought that he was whiny and dean was just RIGHT, you know? like, sam's whines were just whines for whining's sake. superficial conflict.

but here i really felt like, yeah sam. you need to speak up for yourself cause dean is being a little shitbag, thinking he has a right to own your ass, and keep you in a box, and that you have to jump when he says jump.

i don't knooow i just felt like it was different this time? so i was loving it. but i get where you are coming from, sammy can be such a little WHINY BITCH, UGH. i don't know how dean stands it.

[dugindeep]

I AGREE WITH EVERYTHING YOU SAID HERE.

I don't know what it is, but I've been feeling so much for Sam lately, and the guy just looks like he NEEDS A FUCKING HUG ALREADY. And most everyone around me is like 'just grow up Sam GOSH.' Yeah, okay, he needs to get a backbone and just accept shit and stop whining BUT Dean isn't making it easy for him/them to get over the whole thing.

And I didn't feel like he was whining so much this ep, as rather, disagreeing/putting his foot down/making a point/whatever. Which he needs to do as an adult. And I think Dean really needs someone to put him back in his place (omg ilu dean but you're a dick right now) because he isn't perfect. Neither of them are and they need to fucking deal already.

[karabou]

But when has Dean ever truly acted the way he did in this ep? I don't think he felt he owned Sam's ass, and I don't even think it's an issue of big brother little brother, so much as he didn't trust Sam because Sam was drinking demon blood and keeping all kinds of secrets from him. So the short leash for season 4/into season 5 I can buy, but before all of that Dean didn't treat Sam badly.

And the whole thing about Sam going with Ruby because he wanted to get away from Dean? Really? Because that is not at all what I took from 4x21/4x22. And then Sam needing to grow up is kind of ridiculous to me, because nothing he did in season 4 was about growing up.

In the end I'm going to put it down to clunky writing. I don't ever take a show, if it has different writers each ep, as infallible canon. It just sucks that such an important episode was handled by someone who did such a poor job with it.

[still_learning]

YES, because didn't Sam go with Ruby because HE wanted to be the one to save the world?? Not that he wanted to get away from Dean but that he was JEALOUS that the Angels said Dean was the ONE...that's what I thought at least.
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