Mummmmmm AGREE. With everything. SPN S1 was fantastic; S2 was pretty cool and S3? It's been extremely hit and miss for me, for the reasons you've listed here (not to mention a few racial ones tossed into the fray).
Epic sparklypoo, eheheheh. You couldn't have said that better!!
Anyway, SPN is no longer the canon I crave, and while I find myself resorting to fanon, it's really sad that I have to try and ignore a lot about the canon, rather than incorporating it into fandom. That's just an ass-backwards way to work. And it's sad. Moo.
Aww, sad moo. :( I know. it's really sad that I have to try and ignore a lot about the canon, rather than incorporating it into fandom. I had such high hopes for this season, but they're really not panning out, so far.
we interpret and expand on things so much and then the canon changes and the fandom things don't hold up
Yes. HP was my first fandom, and then SPN was my first tv fandom, and it's weird to have so much new canon thrown at you, all the time. I was accustomed to having a few years between books, to anticipate and then absorb the new stuff.
I think the problem with the online version of the chill-out tent is that, well, things like lj posts and the like are per se *activitiy* so in a way the anti-thesis to the chill-out. For it to be there online and visible, ennui has to cease. So the fannish chill-out is the lurking. I go through phases in fandoms where I sometimes lurk a lot, just watch the show and read, without talking or commenting on fic, sometimes while I'm active in another fandom, sometimes not, and them come back and comment and talk again.
You're right, I think, yes, that the fannish chill-out is lurking. I lurked for a long time before I ever interacted, and I still lurk a whole lot more than I talk. My temperament is very introverted.
So.... *thinking* Wait... What I just did was to DE-lurk, in order say I need a time out?
What is it about that idea, that makes it so menacing?It's a good question -- I mean I think films like the Omen or Village of the Damned etc. demonstrate that the idea of children as inherently evil is creepy in the way anything trustworthy that becomes threatening is creepy. I mean in 3.05 they didn't just play on the innocence of childhood but also of age (the kindly grandmother
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I think the better question may simply be why it's so often girls in SPN. Yes! That's a very good point. I did think of the kids in The Kids are Alright, but they're a different flavor of creepy, to my mind, from the "solitary and silent long-haired little girl in a dress."
I completely forgot about Playthings, but that's a good question you raise, about the reason for her distance. Hmm. I wonder how that will play out, with any future children they might encounter.
I get the feeling that most of fandom enjoys the big continuity episodes more than I do. (I have simple needs! I like them best when they're running from monsters and longing for pie!) ;D But yeah, when the payoff fizzles... ack, that's a big risk the show's taking.
I wonder how that will play out, with any future children they might encounter.
My guess is that there will be few if any little girls as the story focus. Another reason occured to me since our last exchange. One thing that had struck me as decidedly odd was what happened after Sam pulled her from the water. We never got to see this with Lucas who was (improbably) still breathing when Dean came out of the water with him. However no one (not even her mother) checked her airway or began to perform mouth-to-mouth. It occured to me then that the show didn't want there to be anything seemingly improper between Dean and Sam and a young girl, regardless of how sensible it would have been in this situation. Instead they all stand there looking at her until she coughs and begins breathing on her own.
So I'm guessing that this is part of it -- although why a man's behavior with a young girl should automatically be any more suspicious than with a young boy is kind of a sad statement on its own.
why a man's behavior with a young girl should automatically be any more suspicious than with a young boy is kind of a sad statement on its own
True.
But that's interesting! And something I never thought of. Huh. Now I'm thinking about Whatsitcalled, the S1 ep with the shtriga, and wondering how things would've been different -- the staking out of the kid's bedroom and all -- if he'd been a sister rather than a brother...
I think I'm invested in SPN because I kinda don't want to be between fandoms. But it's losing me. . . It happened towards the end of last season, when I was bored, it was pretty much cemented with killing off Andy and Ash, and it hasn't been good enough to recover fully from that this season. I'm still up for squeeing at the squeeful things, but I'm getting sick of same-old, same-old. ESPECIALLY the misogyny.
That line . . . my reaction was interesting. Because I think that this is just the sort of thing Dean would say, and I still like him. He's exactly the sort of person that would be all, "I mean gay-stupid, not gay-gay," when questioned (which for the record I think is utterly dumb, but . . . that's him). So, I wasn't any more disillusioned with Dean than I already have been. However, I totally agree that the show didn't counter it, question it, etc. Which I think it should have. So rather than making me like Dean less (because I didn't find it out of character), I liked the show less. It didn't stop me from from
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I'm the same as you; they started losing me late last season. But I don't WANT the honeymoon to be over.
Ha, I saw your review, and hee! Until I saw yourlibrarian's post, pretty much everyone I'd seen had gotten a kick out of it, and I was like, "*crickets* Is it just me?"
But yes, I can completely see him saying, in all earnestness, "It's not offensive! I don't mean gay-gay. Not that there's anything wrong with that."
Which... that reminds me, when I was thinking about this earlier, I was thinking the phrase "gay as in lame, as opposed to gay as in gay." And then I was like, wait, is the word lame offensive? Is it able-body-centric? I really don't know!
Speaking of Andy. (WHICH THERE'S NOT ENOUGH OF, IMO. Let's speak of Andy!) Skuf has a discussion about his mindtricks. I can't remember if I've heard you talk about that before. What do you think
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yeah, i think that 'lame' is pretty offensive thing to say, too. when someone first pulled me up on it years ago i was all "WHAT?! you've got to be KIDDING me!" but i really think it applies just as much as 'gay' or 'girl'.
I think it's just a cumulative thing... critical mass, final straw.totally. and i think i didn't make that much of it because i'm deperately trying to fool myself back in love with MY SHOOOOWWWWWWWWWWWWW. and . . . uh . . . such an attitude doesn't hold up to this kind of criticism
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Epic sparklypoo, eheheheh. You couldn't have said that better!!
Anyway, SPN is no longer the canon I crave, and while I find myself resorting to fanon, it's really sad that I have to try and ignore a lot about the canon, rather than incorporating it into fandom. That's just an ass-backwards way to work. And it's sad. Moo.
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we interpret and expand on things so much and then the canon changes and the fandom things don't hold up
Yes. HP was my first fandom, and then SPN was my first tv fandom, and it's weird to have so much new canon thrown at you, all the time. I was accustomed to having a few years between books, to anticipate and then absorb the new stuff.
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I think the problem with the online version of the chill-out tent is that, well, things like lj posts and the like are per se *activitiy* so in a way the anti-thesis to the chill-out. For it to be there online and visible, ennui has to cease. So the fannish chill-out is the lurking. I go through phases in fandoms where I sometimes lurk a lot, just watch the show and read, without talking or commenting on fic, sometimes while I'm active in another fandom, sometimes not, and them come back and comment and talk again.
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So.... *thinking* Wait... What I just did was to DE-lurk, in order say I need a time out?
Ha! I did, I totally did that.
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I completely forgot about Playthings, but that's a good question you raise, about the reason for her distance. Hmm. I wonder how that will play out, with any future children they might encounter.
I get the feeling that most of fandom enjoys the big continuity episodes more than I do. (I have simple needs! I like them best when they're running from monsters and longing for pie!) ;D But yeah, when the payoff fizzles... ack, that's a big risk the show's taking.
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My guess is that there will be few if any little girls as the story focus. Another reason occured to me since our last exchange. One thing that had struck me as decidedly odd was what happened after Sam pulled her from the water. We never got to see this with Lucas who was (improbably) still breathing when Dean came out of the water with him. However no one (not even her mother) checked her airway or began to perform mouth-to-mouth. It occured to me then that the show didn't want there to be anything seemingly improper between Dean and Sam and a young girl, regardless of how sensible it would have been in this situation. Instead they all stand there looking at her until she coughs and begins breathing on her own.
So I'm guessing that this is part of it -- although why a man's behavior with a young girl should automatically be any more suspicious than with a young boy is kind of a sad statement on its own.
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True.
But that's interesting! And something I never thought of. Huh. Now I'm thinking about Whatsitcalled, the S1 ep with the shtriga, and wondering how things would've been different -- the staking out of the kid's bedroom and all -- if he'd been a sister rather than a brother...
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That line . . . my reaction was interesting. Because I think that this is just the sort of thing Dean would say, and I still like him. He's exactly the sort of person that would be all, "I mean gay-stupid, not gay-gay," when questioned (which for the record I think is utterly dumb, but . . . that's him). So, I wasn't any more disillusioned with Dean than I already have been. However, I totally agree that the show didn't counter it, question it, etc. Which I think it should have. So rather than making me like Dean less (because I didn't find it out of character), I liked the show less. It didn't stop me from from ( ... )
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Ha, I saw your review, and hee! Until I saw yourlibrarian's post, pretty much everyone I'd seen had gotten a kick out of it, and I was like, "*crickets* Is it just me?"
But yes, I can completely see him saying, in all earnestness, "It's not offensive! I don't mean gay-gay. Not that there's anything wrong with that."
Which... that reminds me, when I was thinking about this earlier, I was thinking the phrase "gay as in lame, as opposed to gay as in gay." And then I was like, wait, is the word lame offensive? Is it able-body-centric? I really don't know!
Speaking of Andy. (WHICH THERE'S NOT ENOUGH OF, IMO. Let's speak of Andy!) Skuf has a discussion about his mindtricks. I can't remember if I've heard you talk about that before. What do you think ( ... )
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I think it's just a cumulative thing... critical mass, final straw.totally. and i think i didn't make that much of it because i'm deperately trying to fool myself back in love with MY SHOOOOWWWWWWWWWWWWW. and . . . uh . . . such an attitude doesn't hold up to this kind of criticism ( ... )
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That's the feeling I got. That's what I hope happened, anyway.
He IS, he is 100% pure adorkable.
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