Comments | gehayi: Fannish 5: Five Happy Endings You Don't Like

gehayi

Fannish 5: Five Happy Endings You Don't Like

Jan 14, 2012 15:09

I had to think about this for a bit. It surprised me how many books and TV shows I watch that have sad endings. Also, because I cannot answer these questions without going into depth about what I don't like, the answers tend to be long. You have been warned.

1) ( Doomsday. )

mash, harry potter, the hunger games, doctor who

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lee_rowan January 14 2012, 22:16:21 UTC

Never saw Hunger Games or RiverSong, agree with you on the others. Rose should have died when Doc 9 turned into Doc 10. She's the worst Marysue they ever had, a terrible comedown from kick-ass Companions like Leela and Sarah Jane Smith.

MASH -- also brilliant, right to the last episode, which was FUBAR.

Harry Potter..? I stopped reading after the half-baked prince. Just because a writer is making piles of $ doesn't mean she doesn't need an editor.

Hey, did the warm thingie get there? Tracking says it was left on your porch.

gehayi January 14 2012, 22:27:18 UTC

Oh, so you're the one who sent the blanket with the sleeves! Yes, I got it and I am wearing it right now. It is soft and snuggly and oh-so-very-WARM. Thank you so much!

Rose should have died when Doc 9 turned into Doc 10.

Rose totally should have died. If taking the Time Vortex into his body killed the Doctor, why the hell didn't it kill Rose?

lee_rowan January 14 2012, 22:50:19 UTC

LOL! There was supposed to be a note in with it, but I imagine that got misplaced.

zelda_queen January 15 2012, 00:16:25 UTC

I personally would add the "happy ending" of Breaking Dawn in there. Irena was brutally murdered in front of her sisters. The Volturi are still around, killing tourists in Volterra. If they're as underhanded and evil as we're to believe they are, they'll certainly attack the Cullens again and, more likely than not, "convince" the dhampirs in South America to join them, effectively dragging a bunch of innocent people into their little war (and given that it's the Twilight world, I'm sure those dhampirs would be revealed to be horrible people if we knew more about them. As far as we're told though, they're innocent). The werewolf teenagers are still forced to transform into werewolves, because the Cullens can't get off of their sparkly asses and live elsewhere in the world. Charlie is left with the vague knowledge that something is off about his daughter, and he's either going to have to watch her vanish or go through dying of old age while she stays something immortal and clearly inhuman. Renee probably won't know what happened to her ( ... )

gehayi January 15 2012, 00:22:49 UTC

The ending to Hush, Hush needs to be added as well.

zelda_queen January 15 2012, 01:12:45 UTC

Oh yes, of course. It hasn't come out yet, but I'd wager a good bit of money that the end of the Hush, Hush series in general would make the list. Fitzpatrick already said they were getting a happy ending, and I'm fairly sure she won't write Nora taking a nail driver to Patch's balls, while he's dragged by the angels into Hell.

gehayi January 15 2012, 01:16:16 UTC

I was just thinking of the ending of the first book, actually.

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gehayi January 15 2012, 10:19:48 UTC

I never thought of "Doomsday" or "The Wedding of River Song" in quite the same terms as you (but did have a problem with Donna Noble's ending, from the start), but this has really kinda opened my eyes to some issues I never considered. I'm really going to have to think about this. I adore River Song, but I do agree that robbing her of her agency and independence is a crime against a fictional character.It is. And the most frustrating thing is that I think that Moffat genuinely intended River to be a strong and independent character. However, ALL the alleged heroines who have shown up on Doctor Who during Moffat's tenure, or who have been written by Moffat--ALL, without exception--have been focused on men. Reinette Poisson is the mistress of the King of France and the only person who can read the Doctor's mind and sense his loneliness, thus setting up a tragic romance for the two of them. After one abortive wedding in her intro, Donna gets the same fate twice--happiness with a man and two perfect children in virtual reality in the ( ... )

erikalyndis January 15 2012, 11:26:47 UTC

I agree with the first point because, well, you've seen my views on Rose, haven't you? To me that end really showed what a shallow character Rose is, 'oh, I LOVE the Doctor so much. But I'll be fine with someone who looks like him.' As for what happended to Donna... well, that was the moment where my love for the 10th Doctor died.

However, I (mostly) disagree with you on 'Wedding', but you have given me a new way to look at it which I'm looking forward to thinking about when I next watch it. But, I have a lot of faith in Moffat's writing skills so I'm not judging 'Wedding' until the story arc is completed (which it probably will by the end of this coming season).

I hadn't actually thought about River's character as a satalite before, but I see your point. You've made it a lot harder for me to defend her from accusations of Suedom.

Second Try... gehayi January 16 2012, 02:24:05 UTC

I had a long reply to this, but LJ ate it. I'm getting very tired of it doing that.

I agree with the first point because, well, you've seen my views on Rose, haven't you?

I hadn't until you commented--but I have now, and yes, I agree. You can read my thoughts on Rose Tyler here.

To me that end really showed what a shallow character Rose is, 'oh, I LOVE the Doctor so much. But I'll be fine with someone who looks like him.'

Yes! And even if the clone somehow had all of the Doctor's memories--which makes NO FUCKING SENSE even in the Whoniverse, which has had, among other things, a spaceship powered by love, pigmen and DNA transferred by lightning--having the same memories did NOT make the clone the Doctor. Hell, the Doctor was different as John Smith in pre-WWI England than he is as the Doctor; being human apparently completely altered his personality without requiring a regeneration first.

I have a lot of faith in Moffat's writing skills so I'm not judging 'Wedding' until the story arc is completed (which it probably will by the ( ... )

morri_delrae January 15 2012, 13:10:03 UTC

Doomsday from Series 2 of Doctor Who

Um... don't you mean Journey's End? Doomsday is when the Doctor and Rose were separated, and went off to live in different dimensions at the end of Season 2. The whole business with Donna and the clone was the finale of Season 4.

I'd be willing to grant the possibility of a relationship if it weren't for the whole attitude of "Well, you love me, so here's a guy who looks just like me. You won't care that he isn't me, right?"

I'll be damned if I ever watch that episode again, but wasn't it implied that the Doctor and the Clone share a common set of memories? I remember Rose hesitating and the Clone whispering something in her ear - I think it was implied that he completed the sentence the Doctor never got to finish in Doomsday - and that was when she got all teary-eyed and kissed him ( ... )

gehayi January 15 2012, 14:18:27 UTC

Um... don't you mean Journey's End? Doomsday is when the Doctor and Rose were separated, and went off to live in different dimensions at the end of Season 2. The whole business with Donna and the clone was the finale of Season 4.

It's probable. I get the two finales mixed up, most likely because in both cases the Doctor spends so much time fussing about Rose.

I'll be damned if I ever watch that episode again, but wasn't it implied that the Doctor and the Clone share a common set of memories? I remember Rose hesitating and the Clone whispering something in her ear - I think it was implied that he completed the sentence the Doctor never got to finish in Doomsday - and that was when she got all teary-eyed and kissed him.Yes, that was implied, and that's STUPID. If you had sentient cookie dough and baked half of it into chocolate chip cookies one day and the other half three days later, the cookies made three days later wouldn't have the same memories as the cookies made first. It would be made from the same dough, but it wouldn't be ( ... )

morri_delrae January 15 2012, 23:23:19 UTC

I would think that the dissonance between what he remembers and what he's personally experienced would be a SERIOUS problem, mentally and emotionally. And if it wasn't at first, it would become one.I remember *instantly* thinking that the relationship between Rose and Handy would be first-quality fanfic material. Dealing with their conflicted feelings: his identity crisis, and her longing for the old Doctor who faced dangers on a regular basis; him trying to change to accommodate her better, and her missing the thrill and the action, which she considered an inseparable part of the man she loved. And finally, showing how Rose comes to love Handy for who he is, not just a Doctor look-alike, and Handy learning to care for Rose because of what they'd been through together, not because he was cloned with a ready-made set of feelings ( ... )