SDCC 2013 | S9 Spoilers | Some General Thoughts
I guess most of you will have seen the panels and reports from Comic Con by now, so what are your thoughts? Personally, I could not say that I am particularly happy with the information Carver & Co released about S9 so far, but that does not really come as a surprise to me.
( Here be spoilers! Beware! )
( Here be spoilers! Beware! )
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I was just contemplating writing up my thoughts about S9 based on spoilers, but then (before reading this) decided that I didn't care enough to do so. :( The fact that SPN-related stuff, even if it's bothersome, fails to elicit more than a "ho-hum, ugh, *headdesk*" response from me just shows how underwhelmed I am and the degree of my detachment. :(
I'm finally admitting to myself that I do not care about angels or Crowley. And for me the most compelling angel isn't Cas, but was Namoi, who won't be returning in any way shape or form (confirmed at SDCC)--not that I was really holding out too much hope, though. But at least I'm not in denial anymore about the fact that angels and Crowley do not interest me, right?
Ditto regarding your thoughts on Sam and Dean and secrets and the potential for character "regression" and strange double standards. I'm hopeful that whatever pans out with "the secret" is cool and clever and makes sense because JP seems to be so excited about it.
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ROFL yes, coming out of denial is a good thing. But I often do that, too, trying to convince myself I like something because I want to like it, but there always comes the moment of defeat. I've been tired of the angel mythology since S5, and I was very pleased that Sera Gamble slowly but surely backed away from it and opened the mythology in other directions - alpha monsters, eve and purgatory, souls, leviathans. Gamble really did a lot of great things to flesh out the universe Kripke left her. Carver is just trampling around in it. :( And I really used to love Crowley. I enjoyed him and his snark and his clever, opportunistic ways. However, in S8 he was reduced to a cardboard villain, whose actions made little sense and were often out of character. It's a shame, really. :(
I'm hopeful that whatever pans out with "the secret" is cool and clever and makes sense because JP seems to be so excited about it.I won't hold my breath, ( ... )
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I liked the exploration of monsters and the idea of Purgatory. It made sense to go there; after all we'd already been dealing with Hell and Heaven. I feel that there's still room to explore with the monsters, esp. the Alphas (I was ready for the Leviathan to move on, however). It's too bad S8 turned into whatever it was.
That's one thing about the current creative team, they always think the things they do are cool and exciting and they don't care if they're walking all over past canon/characerisation with it.
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I want to believe that they're genuinely trying to do their best, but some of the stuff they pulled last season was just so outrageously bad and destructive - Taxi Driver comes to mind - that it seems incomprehensible that they had no clue what they were doing.That will forever be The Episode that was a complete and utter waste of something ( ... )
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Aww, man, I loved the leviathans. I think the last time I found a villain on the show as entertaining as the leviathans was when Zachariah was still gracing the screen with his presence. I never found either particularly creepy or menacing, but enormous fun! :)
I don't get the sense that Carver has a clear vision.
Yeah, I don't think that either. And that is especially damaging for a show that is as arc-oriented as SPN is. And I agree about Kripke. I always admired about him that he had no problems to openly admit when he went into a wrong direction or when he pushed for something that proved to be stupid in hindsight. Carver seems to lack that kind of critical reflection. At the end of S8, he still made the same statements about the development of the brothers' story as he did at the beginning of the season. He seemed to have no awareness about how deeply he failed the characters and the mythology.
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I feel really bad for you because you still care and I want a good season for your sake!
Aww, thanks. I still care about the characters and always will. The show as a whole, though? Not so much. Apart from the brothers, they've stripped everything away from the show that I loved. Okay, I care for Charlie and Garth, but still. I've become a lot more detached this last season than I ever thought possible. I never thought I could let go of the show while it is still on the air, but I feel I've reached that point now. The current show has little to do with the show I fell in love with. Maybe the best I can do is quit and just be happy that I have 7 seasons that I genuinely love, warts and all.
So instead it goes around the same stagnant circles, grinding the characters into dust.Exactly! I think what I hate most is that these narrative circles make a mockery of past development for the brothers. I was so proud when Sam and Dean grew into mature ( ... )
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I'm still bitter that Gamble was so deplored by huge swathes of the fandom just for trying to do something different with the show
I know! I really miss her clear sense of direction and most of all her clear sense of the characters and their history. The lack thereof is my biggest gripe with the current creative team. And now that Edlund left the team as well, there is no actual writer left who was with the show in the early years. I don't count Carver, because for some reason he lost his deft touch with the characters during his absence from the show. Not to mention that I am under the impression that he didn't care to catch up on what he missed in S6/7.
I'd like to say 'yes, stop watching, preserve the love you once had', but it hasn't worked like that for meI am not at the point with SPN yet, where the current downward spiral affects my love for S1-7. I've just rewatched Fresh Blood and Mystery Spot and I felt as affected by them as always. However, I ( ... )
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