Episode Poll: 5.14 Crush

[gabrielleabelle]

It's awkward writing this part when doing scheduled posts. Like now, I'm writing this one week ahead of time. By the time this posts, I'll be finished with the GRE - the big looming THING in my future. I have no clue if I'll be jubilant or dismayed.

But I guess Crush is something to look forward to, cause guys, I love this episode.

Comments

[beer_good_foamy]

2. He can do good. Whether that's the same as being good is a matter of definition. Personally, I tend to think that chaining people up and giving them an ultimatum to fall in love or die falls slightly to the left of "saintly." Which isn't to say it's not a great episode, but Spike still has a lot of journey ahead.

4. What, like love can't be a selfish emotion?

7. 4+, but I should probably have put a 5. Brilliant episode, really. "Do you like the Ramones?" Too bad it's Dru's last non-flashback appearance. I miss her. :(

And no question on the poor vamps who run off the second they see Spike and Buffy?

[gabrielleabelle]

2. Most definitely. Whatever it means to "be" or "do" good, Spike isn't doing it at this point.

4. Haha! So true.

And no question on the poor vamps who run off the second they see Spike and Buffy?

There should have been, shouldn't there?

[doublemeat]

#4 - What, people can hurt the ones they love? Say it ain't so Joss!

[singedbylife]

About Dru. Have you watched all the seasons and/or Angel? But I'm with you - I am one of those who really like Dru. Or am fascinated, I guess.

[kikimay]

1- I ADORED Spike's casual look. Yes, yes

[gabrielleabelle]

3. *nods*

This was a tough one for me. I think I ended up choosing Drusilla.

[nicnac918]

2.I have a problem with the argument that "being good" is dependent on your intentions (not that you were making that argument, but you brought it up).

Say I was rich and donated a couple million dollars towards searching for the cure for cancer. If I'm doing it to bribe someone somehow, that's obviously bad because that's actually changing the form of the action itself. But what if I was just doing it to get on someone's good side? Does that mean that the money I spent doesn't count? What if I had cancer and I was facilitating the research in hopes of finding my own cure, does that make it bad? What if I just do it because I like the warm and fuzzy feeling I get when I help people? Which intentions count as being good and which negate the good you're doing?

[kikimay]

That's the problem! It's really philosophycal, I think (The nature of goodness) You can also presume that if Angel, for example, does good because he wants to make amends, in the end, all he thinks about is himself. But he, on the other hand, changes the life of others, sometimes really helping them.

[treadingthedark]

1. Not that I don't love the classic Spike look, but it's always a treat to see him in something different, or nothing at all.
2.He CAN be, if he could figure it out, but he certainly isn't proving it in this episode!
3. I picked Buffy. Drusilla should expect to be betrayed, she is the queen of betrayal herself. He didn't really attack Harmony until she tried to shoot him with the crossbow.
4. Of course they can. But it's rare.
5. Nah.
6. Nah.
7. I enjoy any episode with lots of Spike, but man is he an ass in this one! But that scene in the Bronze with Spike and Dru slinking around together, is gorgeous. I wish it went on longer.

[gabrielleabelle]

1. So true.

2. Hee. Yeah, he kinda mucks it all up. *huggles Spike*

[gillo]

1. Spike in beige? A thousand times no!

2. He can do good and he can want to be good; I'm not sure he can always understand what "good" actually means without that moral compass. Tara spells it out for us: it can't end like that, 'cause all of Quasimodo's actions were selfishly motivated. He had no moral compass, no understanding of right. Everything he did, he did out of love for a woman who would never be able to love him back. Also, you can tell it's not gonna have a happy ending when the main guy's all bumpy. I'm not sure I agree with her that doing something good for unreciprocated love makes it intrinsically selfish, but she feels so

[gabrielleabelle]

1. Indeed. I prefer classic!Spike.

2. I'm not sure I agree with her that doing something good for unreciprocated love makes it intrinsically selfish, but she feels so.

Word.

You didn't mention his hesitation about feeding off the victim in the Bronze.

I wanted to, but I couldn't think of a relevant question! :/

[rahirah]

By the rules of the Buffyverse (contradictory and fluctuating as they are) Spike can't be good without a soul. On the other hand, he can and does do good.

[gabrielleabelle]

That does seem to be the case. The episode doesn't ever make a distinction between the two. Though, I guess at this point, Spike hasn't added to much onto his "Doing Good" list yet. He needs a kick in the pants to get serious on that. *looks forward to Intervention*