ftm and conservatives

Sep 15, 2008 17:04

Hey i was just wondering if there was anyone is conservative/republican or would be if they were LGBT-friendly and/or if you didn't fall under LGBT umbrella thats defined by them ( Read more... )

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daddysambiguity September 16 2008, 00:14:52 UTC
*grabs popcorn*

Just kidding!

On a serious note, what about McCain's policies would make you want to vote for him? What policies does he support/not support that hurt you as a trans person? In what ways do you think Obama would be more FTM-friendly? I mean, I have my personal opinion as a far left liberal, but you just have to weigh the pros and cons.

I know GLBT conservatives. Most tend to think that our issues as queer or trans folks are less important than other unrelated issues that they think conservatives will deal with the best. And, for them, that's more important.

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fabfemmeboy September 16 2008, 01:25:31 UTC
what about McCain's policies would make you want to vote for him? What policies does he support/not support that hurt you as a trans person? In what ways do you think Obama would be more FTM-friendly? First, OP asked whether we would vote republican if we weren't transgendered...so none of it would hurt him as a transperson, in this hypothetical. Second, it's not like either of them are going to actually represent our interests and fix our current legal issues. Why? Because the country's not ready for that yet and even Obama isn't as far left as we like to think he is. Also because the President has very little actual authority that could protect OR hurt us, and it's FAR more dependent on Congress. Look at every answer given on gay issues - it starts with "As President, I would ask CONGRESS to x, y, and z ( ... )

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daddysambiguity September 16 2008, 01:31:26 UTC
Second, it's not like either of them are going to actually represent our interests and fix our current legal issues.

I agree.
You are preaching to the choir.

So if OP was making over $500,000/year and therefore would get a tax break under McCain and an increase under Obama, or believed in drilling ANWR, or any number of other perfectly valid political opinions, why should being trans be the single definitive issue that determines his voting outcome? Huh? I agree. It shouldn't be. That's why I said that many conservatives I know think that non-trans related issues are more important and don't make being trans or queer an issue in their voting habits ( ... )

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tinamou September 16 2008, 00:14:54 UTC
But the rights of other people who are transgender wouldn't concern you?

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daddysambiguity September 16 2008, 00:15:10 UTC
:)

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tinamou September 16 2008, 00:51:24 UTC
Specifically, I meant that if trans issues are keeping the OP from voting Republican this go-round (presumably because he feels McCain would favor policies that would harm trans people), why would he support McCain if those issues didn't affect him personally?

I see that as somewhat different from feeling that McCain would be a good president for trans people, or feeling that his other advantages outweigh any potential harm he might do to trans people. While I don't agree with either of those latter stances, I can see where they come from, and make a lot more sense than just saying that if anti-trans government policies wouldn't hurt you personally, you'd be fine with them.

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daddysambiguity September 16 2008, 00:53:22 UTC
great points.

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melsmarsh September 16 2008, 00:40:03 UTC
I'm a Libertarian, which means I'm fiscally conservative and socially liberal. Of course this technically makes me a swing voter. I vote for Democrats, Republicans, and my own party when I think they can win.

LGBT is only one issue of many that I vote on. I have too many things I need to consider like my partner's status as a 15 year Air Force veteran (and who wants to go back in!), the economy, his industry, my industry, my kids' education, the housing market, my support for *all* aspects of the Bill of Rights, etc. I'm more than just a ftm.

I've made my decision for this election. I'm just waiting for my voter registration to be changed to my new name and then I am going to request my absentee ballot and vote.

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melsmarsh September 16 2008, 01:39:24 UTC
I would have a heart attack if we got 85+% turnout. One of my friends told me that in Australia, where he lives, they basically have a 99% or something turn out.

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pepsquad September 16 2008, 00:50:03 UTC
Libertarian here. I vote as a please trans stuff doesn't even enter in my thoughts when i'm voting, I don't prize my rights over other peoples

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icarus_after September 16 2008, 01:28:13 UTC
well, right? and unless these "rights" are somehow specific to pepsquad, they are not just "his rights." they are my rights and the rights of every human being who would like to be able to live with dignity in this country ( ... )

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daddysambiguity September 16 2008, 01:34:09 UTC
I think you really hit the nail on the head here.

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