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_profiterole_ September 14 2016, 18:49:21 UTC
I never even saw the US season. [Probably not a spoiler any more, but just in case]I'm not here for shows full of Bury Your Gays (in the umbrella sense of the word, since they were all bi).

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frelling_tralk September 14 2016, 19:04:31 UTC
Oh I didn't watch that one either, I was left not caring very much after they killed off Tosh, Owen, and Ianto :( But still I can see John Barrowman's point that there doesn't seem to be any real reason why Torchwood isn't treated as a bigger deal by the BBC. It always seemed to be a big ratings success, Children Of Earth was moved to BBC1 and did massively well for them, yet there was even a two year gap after that

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_profiterole_ September 14 2016, 19:08:16 UTC
Well, they're doing Class instead and hopefully the LGBT characters will stay alive this time.

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frelling_tralk September 14 2016, 19:11:21 UTC
Are you planning on watching that one then? :)

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bm_shipper September 14 2016, 18:57:10 UTC
For me Torchwood died with Ianto one way or another, I never even finished "Children of Earth", so I don't really care at all, but I mean: BBC "cancelled" or rather ended "Musketeers" as well even though there would have been more stories to tell and the ratings were good, so there's that...

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frelling_tralk September 14 2016, 19:10:26 UTC
Yeah I was done after Children Of Earth too, not just for Ianto's death (although that really really sucked), but it also pretty much irredeemably ruined Jack's character for me as well. It was a good mini-series, it just left me with no interest in following Jack's character any more after that, especially with all of the regular cast dead as well

It just seems odd to me because TW always more than held its own in the ratings, COE especially reached their biggest audience yet, so I can understand why John Barrowman is questioning what the hold-up is. I suppose you're right that you never really know why these decisions are made though

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endeni September 14 2016, 19:57:49 UTC
/For me Torchwood died with Ianto/ - Yes! Like, theoretically I'd be all for more Torchwood, loved the hell out of the show, but with half the cast dead would it be Torchwood anymore? Because season 4 clearly wasn't it despite their best efforts... :(

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frelling_tralk September 14 2016, 20:05:46 UTC
Yeah I remember that series 4 was pretty much promoted as a US reboot, they can never really get back the original feel of the show from series 1 and 2 at this point. Children Of Earth was already a pretty radical change

They should never have killed off so many members of the core cast...

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elisi September 14 2016, 19:29:07 UTC
Well, Miracle Day was crap. :(

But yes, it was always Chibnall & RTD's baby, so it'd be up to them. Maybe Barrowman meant to imply that once Moffat leaves Chibnall takes over, and then *he* might push for more Torchwood?

Who knows. Mostly I feel sorry for Moffat, he doesn't need the added hate.

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frelling_tralk September 14 2016, 19:56:14 UTC
Honestly I wondered if John Barrowman was making a dig at Steven Moffat because of not being back on DW since he's been in charge, he obviously enjoyed playing the character and seemed annoyed in the past about not being invited back for the 50th anniversary celebrations, maybe he's decided that Steven Moffat has something against the character? But it seems bizarre to imply that Moffat would have any reason to block Torchwood as a show

It probably is mostly just a case of RTD being too busy, and I suppose that the BBC don't want to commission any more TW without him

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eowyn September 14 2016, 21:59:52 UTC
I wish people would stop blaming Moffat for everything. The way he's treated by fandom is practically bullying.

Not cool, Barrowman. :/

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frelling_tralk September 15 2016, 18:18:28 UTC
Yeah DW fandom has a real problem with attacking the executive producers :(

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cookielaura September 15 2016, 01:01:29 UTC
Oh John. He does say some ridiculous things and doesn't always help himself. I was such a huge JB fan at one point, but not so much now.

I'd still love to see Torchwood return though, and I agree it's odd the BBC doesn't follow up on such a good show.

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frelling_tralk September 15 2016, 18:21:49 UTC
Yeah I used to really like him when he first appeared on DW, but since then I've been a bit put off by him tbh with some of the stories coming from the set, he just comes across as really full of himself.... It would be nice to see Captain Jack again at some point though

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