I've always wondered why people think partial-birth abortion is so especially horrifying. I mean, if you're the sort of pro-lifer who wants abortions to be illegal from the moment of inception, then the method of abortion shouldn't even be an issue with you. Still, banning partial-birth was a big victory for the anti-abortion movement, and the pro-choicers know it.
I think it's just because it's so visual. So much closer to infanticide. Thinking about 1-week embryos as living, complete humans is not that hard, but it's more of an intellectual exercise than believing that later-term embryos are. The automatic "protect the child" instinct kicks in.
At least that's true for me, and I would assume also for a lot of pro-life women.
Yes, I suppose it's just an emotional thing. After all, banning partial-birth abortion just bans one method of abortion, it doesn't really save any unborn babies.
it doesn't really save any unborn babies.It does, actually. In Italy, you regularly get women who dither about having abortion until they have come to the legal limit, and then they have to have the baby. But more to the point, I would say that PBA strikes at the point where I find abortion most disgusting: that is, that it is a piece of moral cowardice that refuses to look at its victim. A girl who seriously cannot or will not care for her child has the option of putting it up for adoption: Heaven knows that the world is full of people desperate to adopt a baby. However, this entails looking at the baby in the face. Abortion means the escape from this appalling choice: it means that you do not have to look at the baby's face as you are getting rid of it. Indeed, it appears that in some countries abortions have become rarer since scans have become frequent and women have begun to see their baby on screen. I even heard that some abortion propagandists were worried by this trend and actually proposed to restrict mothers' access
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"Sanctuary" Lesbianismjordan179March 5 2007, 21:46:54 UTC
The degree to which the Sexual Revolution fails to meet ordinary human needs is, I believe, highlighted by the rise of what could be called "sanctuary" lesbianism on American colleges. This involves young women who would normally be bisexual or even heterosexual, who gravitate towards professed lesbianism as a means of avoiding male sexual demands. This is because they know they will be mocked if they attempt to retain their virginity or even (in some environments) a mildly conservative pattern of sexual behavior (such as not having sex until some understanding of engagement); but it is Politically Incorrect to mock lesbians.
They have experienced the inherent brutality and callousness of male lusts, when unrestrained by any respect for decent womanhood. They are not irrational in fearing such behavior. At least other women are likely to share a more emotional and caring attitude toward sexuality -- and, of course, other women are unlikely to rape them and certainly cannot impregnate them. Hence, they become what might be termed
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Re: "Sanctuary" LesbianismizhilzhaMarch 5 2007, 22:34:09 UTC
Something very, very wrong, imho. I just read a book called Heterophobia, written by a scholar of women's studies, and she talked at length about this and where it came from, etc. Disturbing, and a really extreme version of feminism.
Re: "Sanctuary" Lesbianismjordan179March 6 2007, 21:36:06 UTC
The morals of the sexual revolution, sanctioning casual sexuality and heartless behavior towards one's lovers as "normal" and treating committment and love as if they were pathological conditions, is bound to create a mating environment on the average hostile to female interests, because in a system of more or less random promiscuity it is the women who are left caring for the babies which result (and result they do, even with some effort spent on contraception). Furthermore, female as opposed to male psychology, tuned by hormonal releases, has been honed on Darwin's wheel to seek supportive mates rather than random sexual partners: humans are not bonobos (even bonobo sex is more affectionate and alliance-forming than truly random, and humans do not live in the small bands of 50 or less within which this sort of arrangement is practical).
A natural and fairly sane response of a woman who may be rather average and thus not have the emotional and moral strength to defy the sexual expectations of mainstream campus society is to find a
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You lost me - I always thought the "sexual revolution" was a brand created in the 60's when the baby-boomers invented sex, the birth control pill, and independent thought. Goodness knows before then there were no unwed mothers, abused abandoned children, promiscuity, or infanticide, and STD's only happened to dirty people in leper colonies who ran out of Trojans
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You lost me - I always thought the "sexual revolution" was a brand created in the 60's when the baby-boomers invented sex, the birth control pill, and independent thought. Goodness knows before then there were no unwed mothers, abused abandoned children, promiscuity, or infanticide, and STD's only happened to dirty people in leper colonies who ran out of Trojans.
What happened in the 1960's was that a signficant segement of the popular culture became convinced that sexual promiscuity was a good rather than a bad thing. This was a somewhat new thing -- previously, all the things you are describing were seen as social evils (and tended to be described in the terms you just used
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FPB is just saying those nice things because: 1. He is burdened by a Y chromasome and can't hit a lady no matter how much she's asking for it. (A fact I take as little advantage of as my weak nature allows.) 2. He wants to head off one of my LJ-patented anti-marriage rants (which are totally sincere) 3. We were hatched from the same creche of dinosaur eggs and can remember the 60's from something other than television reruns and books. (Although Valley of the Dolls is the perfect documentary of the 60's. Too bad it was written about the 1930 and 40's.
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AIDS? HPV?
I've always wondered why people think partial-birth abortion is so especially horrifying. I mean, if you're the sort of pro-lifer who wants abortions to be illegal from the moment of inception, then the method of abortion shouldn't even be an issue with you. Still, banning partial-birth was a big victory for the anti-abortion movement, and the pro-choicers know it.
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I think it's just because it's so visual. So much closer to infanticide. Thinking about 1-week embryos as living, complete humans is not that hard, but it's more of an intellectual exercise than believing that later-term embryos are. The automatic "protect the child" instinct kicks in.
At least that's true for me, and I would assume also for a lot of pro-life women.
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They have experienced the inherent brutality and callousness of male lusts, when unrestrained by any respect for decent womanhood. They are not irrational in fearing such behavior. At least other women are likely to share a more emotional and caring attitude toward sexuality -- and, of course, other women are unlikely to rape them and certainly cannot impregnate them. Hence, they become what might be termed ( ... )
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What happened in the 1960's was that a signficant segement of the popular culture became convinced that sexual promiscuity was a good rather than a bad thing. This was a somewhat new thing -- previously, all the things you are describing were seen as social evils (and tended to be described in the terms you just used ( ... )
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1. He is burdened by a Y chromasome and can't hit a lady no matter how much she's asking for it. (A fact I take as little advantage of as my weak nature allows.)
2. He wants to head off one of my LJ-patented anti-marriage rants (which are totally sincere)
3. We were hatched from the same creche of dinosaur eggs and can remember the 60's from something other than television reruns and books. (Although Valley of the Dolls is the perfect documentary of the 60's. Too bad it was written about the 1930 and 40's.
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