yuletide, decisions, meme, not-shipping

[flambeau]

Have you all noticed that sign-ups for yuletide are now open? Until Monday evening in some time zone other than mine, so there's no rush, which is good, because there's a zillion fandoms listed. I'm sitting here making lists and I'm still only on the Fs

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[_inbetween_]

That's a good/tricky point, non-romantic 'ships. Canon just sexualises every m/f 'ship these days, and fanon slashes all the guys, so what's left? *ponders now*

[flambeau]

Yeah, I tend to think of this as the pendant to or other side of my fondness for slash, actually - canon usually gives me m/f romance (or potential for same) and m/m buddies-and-rescuing, or enough for my fix of those things, most days, so I glom onto certin possibilities and potentials, and in fanfic, I like to have it the other way around.

f/f, now - canon doesn't give me much there, so in fanfic either the romance or the friendship can hit my buttons. :)

[_inbetween_]

That's cool for you. I still could not think of a single example for myself. Xena is more than friendship. f/f slash does nothing for me. Hm. I am always glad when f/f friendship works, but it's so very rare and usually erased soon after (glimpses in Desp.Housewives or perhaps Corpse Bride?).

[flambeau]

well, i can't exactly claim to be a huge reader of either f/f or f&f, but when i find stuff that clicks, it makes me happy. also i like it when my media passes the dykes to watch out for movie test. *g*

[flambeau]

Hee. "Canon happened" is a pretty good way of putting it. I did wonder if Mulder would figure a few things out at some point and beat himself up about it, but there was such a narrow window for that before he figured a few other things out, aka the canon happened thing, so.

I think maybe they had hot and awkward and dubiously consensual sex a couple more times, with Krycek tying himself into a whole scouting handbook's worth of psychosexual knots about it, to the point where any way out seemed like a good one, and then there was an abduction and a skylift and a whole world of trouble and betrayal.

[adina_atl]

I've heard of not-ship refered to as ampersand fiction--as in Mulder&Scully rather than Mulder/Scully. I don't remember who proposed that and I'm not sure the nomenclature ever took off, but I like it.

[flambeau]

The ampersand is a great story code, but what I really yearn for is a verb. "I ampersand Mulder and Scully" - hm. It's got the advantage over not-ship that it's not a negative expression to start with, of course.

It's surprisingly difficult being a noromo. *g*

[adina_atl]

Is it any more difficult to say "I ampersand Mulder and Scully" than it is to say "I slash Jeeves and Wooster"? Or rather, would it have been thirty years ago when the term "slash" had just been introduced?

As for noromo: sing it, sister. Fandom seems to have a false dichotomy between slash and gen, as if you can't like gen without hating slash, and you can't write gen without specifically excluding slash--the infamous "Oh, no, we're not lovers; we just live together," statement in nearly every gen Sentinal story.

We read/watch/consume source material with homosexual subtext (or at least we like to see or pretend to see such subtext) but most writers (and most readers by corrolary?) don't accept subtext in their stories. Either it's made textual with the bonking, or it's explicitly denied.

[adina_atl]

I should have said that the same holds true for het and gen as well as slash and gen. Most of fandom doesn't seem to believe you can have a man and a woman interacting without either a) having sex, or b) denying explicitly that sex has occurred or ever will occur.

[bravecows]

Are there ever ass-parasites? What do the babies look like?

(I'm sorry I keep belabouring this, but it's just. it's interesting! I mean, would they look like baby turtles?)

[flambeau]

Something about the word ass-parasites makes me want to scrub your keyboard out with soap. or bleach, hee hee.

I think John really would be one of those freakyrare hybridy thingies, and the babies would look like turtles with fur.

...

help.

[bravecows]

Something about the word ass-parasites makes me want to scrub your keyboard out with soap.

"Male pregnancy enablers for anal use" sounds worse, though. Also not as snappy.

[marythefan]

Yeah, I usually call those kind of ... duos? ... my "platonic OTPs."

[flambeau]

Platonic shipping is good. as long as people don't think it means they have a Higher Love. (oh dammit, now the song is in my head) Or that it's the Platonic ideal of a relationship. but yeah.

Platonic ampersanding. hee.

Mal and Zoe! Mal and Zoe are such a shiny example of this. *loves them*

[navia]

Mal&Zoe, yes! I couldn't think of any examples, but that is the perfect one. Harry&Ron for me, also.