Sandy Hook KillerloriruadhApril 2 2013, 16:21:18 UTC
I saw a report on the news Friday evening that stated that the gun safe was in Adam Lanza's bedroom. The reporter also said that Lanza's mother wasn't buying the guns for herself -- she was buying them for her son.
I've been trying to wrap my head around that, and failing.
Re: Sandy Hook KillergardnerhillApril 3 2013, 03:24:03 UTC
Ms Lanza - a card-carrying "responsible gun owner." Deflates every NRA paranoid talking point right there. She was a good little NRA consumer, believing their hysterical paranoid rantings about end times and economic meltdowns, and passed that on to her murderous little Grendel.
Maybe we just need to make it illegal for white males to carry guns - the majority of serial killers, psycho stockpilers, end-times-believers, sovereign citizens, and abusive police fall into that category.
Re: Sandy Hook KillerdrewkittyApril 3 2013, 20:45:00 UTC
In all seriousness I have suggested that since women are disproportionately the victims of violent crime, this is prima facie evidence that women with no criminal record should be ENTITLED to a shall-issue concealed handgun permit.
Well, I can more or less understand *why* rifles are singled out for that argument.
Folks are *still* yammering about banning "assault weapons". With a definition of "assault weapon" that is more about "looks ugly/scary/military" than about anything *functional*.
Thankfully, it looks like this time around it's not going to fly.
Anybody have any reliable figures on the numbers of deaths *by that type of weapon* before the old ban was put in place, while it was in place and after it expired?
And maybe, just *maybe* the talk of more support (and detection) of folks who are likely to go postal will actually result in something that'll do some good.
The vast majority of firearms homicides are committed with handguns. Due to different definitions of rifles, getting at the mythical "assault rifle" in homicide data is difficult.
ebartley's stats are accurate -- about 75% handguns is fairly consistent over the last decade.
You will find a lot more support for handgun regulations among firearms owners when the right to keep AND BEAR arms is respected, as with concealed handgun permits.
Darn that "well regulated militia" clause. You know maybe if there was more respect coming from firearms owners instead of thousands death threats over imagined slights about public safety, they may get some. Instead we see talk of revolution over requiring common sense laws like background checks and taking responsiblity for your weapon.
And the more the psycho-gunners shriek that they NEED 100-round drums and all the war weapons they can eat because End Times and Gummint Thugs and That Negro in the White House - the more they prove, with every word, how very badly we need a mental-health screen to keep guns out of their hands.
And the more that paranoids like you demonize, slander and hate your neighbors, the more you prove with every word that you disqualify yourself from participation in rational debate.
Fortunately, civil rights are not up to discussion or debate -- so your Constitutional right to freedom of speech and to own a firearm remains. Please keep that thing pointed down-range or I'll have to ask you to leave. :)
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http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2011/crime-in-the-u.s.-2011/tables/expanded-homicide-data-table-11
Stats from 2011
Total murder victims: 12,664
Total firearm: 8,563
Handguns: 6,220 (+1,518)
Rifles: 323 (+79)
Shotguns: 356 (+87)
Other guns or type unstated: 1,684 (added proportionally above)
Knives or cutting instruments: 1,694
Blunt objects (clubs, hammers): 496
Personal weapons (hands, fists, feet, etc.): 726
Poison: 5
Pushed or thrown out window: 2
Explosives: 12
Fire: 75
Narcotics: 29
Drowning: 15
Strangulation: 85
Asphyxiation: 89
Other: 853
It goes on to break down the murders by circumstances (in commission of felony by crime, other situation by type.)
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I've been trying to wrap my head around that, and failing.
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Maybe we just need to make it illegal for white males to carry guns - the majority of serial killers, psycho stockpilers, end-times-believers, sovereign citizens, and abusive police fall into that category.
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Folks are *still* yammering about banning "assault weapons". With a definition of "assault weapon" that is more about "looks ugly/scary/military" than about anything *functional*.
Thankfully, it looks like this time around it's not going to fly.
Anybody have any reliable figures on the numbers of deaths *by that type of weapon* before the old ban was put in place, while it was in place and after it expired?
And maybe, just *maybe* the talk of more support (and detection) of folks who are likely to go postal will actually result in something that'll do some good.
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ebartley's stats are accurate -- about 75% handguns is fairly consistent over the last decade.
You will find a lot more support for handgun regulations among firearms owners when the right to keep AND BEAR arms is respected, as with concealed handgun permits.
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Why do you care so much what people in Arizona do?
Why don't you give credit to the gun laws your state already has?
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Fortunately, civil rights are not up to discussion or debate -- so your Constitutional right to freedom of speech and to own a firearm remains. Please keep that thing pointed down-range or I'll have to ask you to leave. :)
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