Comments | fierceawakening: Sheila Jeffreys

fierceawakening

Sheila Jeffreys

Sep 09, 2008 12:40

I've wanted to find this utterly asinine essay for quite a while now. I'd read it before, but couldn't find it again on the Web.

Boring for many of you, I'm sure, but absolutely amusing to me because it's the pinnacle (actually nadir is probably a better word) of "lesbianism is political"-style thinking. It's so thick with its own ideology that it ( Read more... )

feminist, sex wars, radical feminism, sex positive

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Re: ... fierceawakening September 9 2008, 18:13:15 UTC

I have to know. What was she like in person?

Re: ... belledame222 September 10 2008, 08:33:00 UTC

also wishing to know details.

I can't remember who was telling a story of her saying something outlandishly inappropriate and SamBerglike to a student (!), something about her lipstick making her mouth a fuckhole, or...not that, but something along those lines, involving lipstick and a student and wildly inappropriate and degrading sexual talk.

also that she physically attacked someone.

and has a fruitbat named "Ernie." no, I made that bit up. probably. perhaps. it was a rumor. -looks shifty-eyed-

Re: ... fierceawakening September 10 2008, 10:59:25 UTC

Yeah, I remember that too. I don't have a link though. I think it was somewhere in feminist during one of the interminables.

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kawakiisakazuki September 9 2008, 18:39:37 UTC

Wait, that essay wasn't intended as a parody? ....

fierceawakening September 9 2008, 22:12:22 UTC

Nope. Sheila Jeffreys really believes that shit.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sheila_Jeffreys

fierceawakening September 9 2008, 23:05:32 UTC

http://www.ontheissuesmagazine.com/1996spring/s96orgasm.php

belledame222 September 10 2008, 08:30:17 UTC

No, but this was. sadly however it was mostly verbatim and it worked quite well as parody:

http://community.livejournal.com/feminist_lite/8079.html

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fierceawakening September 9 2008, 22:13:34 UTC

What do you sympathize with the Twisty types about? You do realize that they'd think you're wrong, creepy, deluded, or lying about everything if they knew you're a masochist, right?

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fierceawakening September 10 2008, 02:49:17 UTC

I definitely don't agree with her on every word, but rape and street harassment and work harassment and honor killings and that sort of thing happen way too often to all be isolated incidents.

Oh yeah, I agree. But I don't get why agreeing with that means seeing the point of "Twisty types." I think most feminists/feminist expatriates agree with that.

And the thing is, I'm not exactly sure that the way the Twisty types put emphasis on the hate is productive. I keep thinking of one of dikaiosunh's comments here a while back, where I said that hate fuels war and he said "well, no, actually, disputes over resources fuel wars; hatred fires up the grunts." And I keep thinking that it's gotta be more than this amorphous nebulous "MEEEEEEEENNNN HAAAAAAAATTTTTEEE!" as if they all have personality disorders. I keep thinking maybe resources is it. Fear that the power they continue to have, but that feminisms have steadily attacked, is all that keeps them afloat and if they don't terrorize, harass, or violate the "cunts" they'll lose everything ( ... )

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ramik September 9 2008, 20:12:36 UTC

Lord what a twit.

She's actually taken seriously, no?

belledame222 September 10 2008, 08:24:15 UTC

depends who you ask, but she is part of CATW, which is pretty influential.

apropos of nothing, ramik, are you in San Fran, or am I totally misremembering?

ramik September 10 2008, 12:56:10 UTC

I'm not actually in SF, but I'm close ... a little town named Benicia, to the north.

belledame222 September 10 2008, 08:22:43 UTC

...heh, I was just coming in to ask if you'd seen the piece at feminist lite, and then saw you just posted an entry. I love that site, don't you? I feel so much more...fresh.