Women W e Love That Fandom Hates - Day 3

[fauxkaren]

I was super busy last night and today, so my post is late, but it is here! Today's post contains specific spoilers for Doctor Who 1x13 as well as general spoilers for Rose's character arc, explicit spoilers for A Clash of Kings and A Storm of Swords, specific spoilers for Angel 1x22 as well as Cordelia's character arc.

Comments

[unnecessary_]

I love your argument about Catelyn capturing Tyrion and I completely agree. I wouldn't have expected Jamie to kill Ned's men. I did expect Ned to get hurt, but I didn't expect innocent people to die over Tyrion, especially since Cersei showed very little care for him.

[fauxkaren]

The consequences of Catelyn capturing Tyrion ended up being totally out of her control and things that there was no way she could have foreseen, so I just don't understand when people hate on her and blame her for these things she could not have predicted.

[mythopathy]

Fuuuuuuu I love Catelyn but I'd forgotten that scene in Clash.

[fauxkaren]

The one where she calls Robb out for not thinking his sisters are worth giving up Jaime? I love that Cat calls him out on it.

[mythopathy]

The worst part is that by that time Arya had escaped and it's like the reader's supposed to think: oh Sansa is definitely not worth releasing Jaime over. AAARGHH GRRM

[misstopia]

Also, Tywin Lannister sent Gregor to raid the riverlands under no banners, you'd think that if it was "allowed" then he'd just openly send his actual army against the Tullys. Instead it's more like terror tactics (just to draw Ned out into the field so he could capture him and trade him for Tyrion, lololol way to overcomplicate things Tywin).

[fauxkaren]

Also, Tywin Lannister sent Gregor to raid the riverlands under no banners, you'd think that if it was "allowed" then he'd just openly send his actual army against the Tullys.Exactly. Cat should not be expected to predict these really unconventional overreactions to her capture of Tyrion, so when people try to pin the start of the war on her for this, I'm just like "uh no." Why don't we go even further back then and blame it on Jaime pushing Bran out the window. Or even further and put the blame on the murder of Jon Arryn which led Robert and company to head to Winterfell in the first place. Picking the capture of Tyrion as a "this is where the war started and therefore it is all Cat's fault" is just ridiculous

[spellweaver731]

I do so love this scene of Rose's. I love the way she gets frustrated for her mum and Mickey misunderstanding her. It really dose show how much she has learned and grown during her time with the Doctor.

[fauxkaren]

IMO, this is THE defining scene for Rose. It says so much about her journey and the kind of person she is. She fights. She cares about people. And she won't let other people make decisions for her.

[zombie_boogie]

I think that Cat (and the Starks in general) makes some terrible strategic decisions, but I don't think she's stupid for making them. Her actions may later have proved to be miscalculations, but many of them were based in sound reasoning from her perspective. Every single major player in the game (except for maybe Littlefinger at this point) as made major grevious errors in judgment, but it only seems to be the women who get the short end of the stick in fandom. Of course. Regardless of the soundness of her decision-making, Cat is hardly to blame for starting the war. Littlefinger facilitated the start of the war when he whispered in poor, misguided Lysa Arryn's ear and the actions of numerous other players (Cersei, Renly, Stannis, Tywin, etc.) contributed. Blaming Cat for the war is almost as bad as blaming Sansa for Ned's death.

[fauxkaren]

So many other characters make way worse errors in judgment than Cat ever does, but some sections of fandom just really enjoy focusing on Cat's mistakes while blissfully ignoring their favorites. Oh fandom, you silly thing you.

[zombie_boogie]

Yeah. Like Tyrion.