i think you know a lost cause when you see one;
Taking a few minutes off Shakespeare and Katherina to consider Arthur Conan Doyle and Joan Watson: a quick outlook on Elementary (mostly because this question is asked me a lot these days? not sure why there's a sudden outpouring of What do you think about Elementary, Sara).
So! Considering this preview:
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So! Considering this preview:
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I have a lot of varied feelings about Elementary, and you've literally touched on every single one of them.
The vague "no homo" thing they have going on in Sherlock makes me pretty fucking uncomfortable, too. I'm hoping they stop it entirely in series 3; it doesn't feel authentic to the characters, and skirts a line between frustrating and offensive to me that I'm tired of dealing with.
Ha, yes, after the first trailer was released, I saw a couple of people complaining about JLM's "terrible British accent". I once saw someone make the same complaint about Hugh Laurie. Facepalms everywhere.
My god, at this point, both the people either hating on it or obsessively stanning it and bashing Sherlock are getting on my nerves.Aaand that's it in a nutshell. The majority of my experience of fandom is on tumblr, which, well, is not the best place to find well-thought-out opinions. I've seen a lot of the really dumb, racist, and sexist objections to Elementary, but then you get the other extreme of people who ( ... )
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Yeah, seriously. It was fine in ASiP because it was the early days still; it was... worth a side-eye in TBB; it was pretty okay in TGG because Gatiss actually has some tact; but when S2 rolled around it got really frustrating and bothersome, IMO. I appreciate the Irene/John parallels, but John's constant need to reaffirm his heterosexuality to the world is neither amusing nor particularly making me like him (in that regard, anyway, because I adore John, just - not so much the way Moffat writes him sometimes). I was very glad that Gatiss more or less approached that issue by making him drop it for a lost cause in THoB.
I've seen a lot of the really dumb, racist, and sexist objections to Elementary, but then you get the other extreme of people who are determined to like it basically out of spite.Yeah, pretty much. Basically, anyone who's quick to judge a ( ... )
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, I don't doubt for one second that JLM and Lucy Liu will be great. Their faces are amazing, and their voices are pretty perfect - they're pretty much the main reason why I feel really hopeful for this show, because I'll want to like them in it, so I'll want to like it. If that makes sense.
Yeah, that's exactly how I feel. Tbh I'm always happy to see JLM in anything, I've had a little crush on him ever since I saw him in Mansfield Park about ten years ago. I honestly don't have much experience of Lucy Liu's acting, I think the only thing I've seen her in is Charlie's Angels, and I'm not going to judge anyone based on that :) But goddamn she has a fantastic face, and I really like what I saw in the preview, so.
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JLM was so good in Emma, as well. Favourite adaptationnnn.
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You can raise an eyebrow and ponders about the elements you've stated but you will be able to judge and appreciate it when you'll have it under your eyes.
And as I've seen elsewhere, Sherlock was a dog once. Why couldn't John be a woman? (and it's not like genderswap never existed in fanfic.)
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It's very strange. It's fine to be wary or to have doubts, of course it is, but to declare it shit from the get-go - from six bloody minutes of footage, ffs - or to declare it amazing, for that matter, seems more like personal prejudice intruding on one's judgement than actually making an objective opinion.
God, the John-can't-be-a-Joan arguments are making my head spin. Holmes and Watson have been recast as pretty much everything from children in a boarding school to mice (and dogs, yes, because Miyazaki is amazing), so the entire thing smacks of misogyny and is decidedly ridiculous.
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Tu vois, c'est marrant, mais la deuxième trailer me dit bien plus que la première - la première était rapide et développait pas grand-chose, tandis que la deuxième me semble plus riche et plus intéressante. Cela dit, je pense pas qu'on puisse juger la série en fonction de sa bande-annonce; tu te souviens de celle de Sherlock? J'aurais probablement pas regardé le premier épisode si je m'étais basée seulement sur ça ( ... )
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Also, you hinted at fics of them already and I want links of that, plz!
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I was actually kind of wary of reading this post, mainly because all the discussion about Elementary that I've seen so far has come from Tumblr, which is not exactly renowned for its logical, rational arguments. But this was really good! It pretty much encompasses how I feel about the show in general. This especially: So: Sherlock Holmes and John Watson aren't canonically in a relationship. Therefore, genderswapping John Watson into Joan Watson cannot ruin a completely non-existent homosexual relationship between them. It really annoys me that a lot of fans see the (romantic, gay) relationship between John and Sherlock in Sherlock (BBC) as canon, when it's not: not because it's wrong to see it as canon/ for it to be canon (the opposite, in fact), but because the show, rather than treating a romantic gay ( ... )
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No, I get what you mean - I've skimmed through some of the Elementary-related discussion on tumblr, and participated in some more on LJ, and both times it appeared to me that both sides were being unrealistic and pissing one another off over six bloody minutes of footage.
And yeah, the gay baiting in Sherlock is ... troublesome. I dislike Moffat's way of dealing with such issues, and Gatiss is a little better but he also makes no particular attempt to curbing Moffat's stereotypes. There're a million of ways to consider Sherlock and John's relationship as a love story - because they do love each ( ... )
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