I was just talking to griggharris about this last night. That is my #1 complaint about Ten in a nutshell. This is the only reason I hope for a reunion between Jack and 11 just to see how the new regeneration treats him.
I wanted to see Jack in last year's series, or the Christmas special. I still want to see him in Doctor Who in future, becuase I want any Jack, any time. But I no longer have much hope that he'll meet Eleven, or that we'll see it if he does, or that they'll be on better terms than with Ten.
Meanwhile I have the first series to go back to and enjoy.
I've always got hope because Moffat has been asked numerous times. Smirked and said, "You never know." So I don't think the possibility of Jack ever being on during the Eleven Tenure is OUT of the cards yet.
I always found it a bit odd that Jack isn't angry on TW, because he definitely is angry on DW; especially in Utopia, but still/again in LotTL. But it's probably easier to unpack the good memories and and get a bit sentimental again from a distance; Jack and Martha both do that.
But a lot of Jack's characterisation in S2 does seem to be a direct response to Ten's behaviour in the S3 finale; Ten said that Jack might still be out there somewhere and that he's the only man he's ever going to be happy with, and Jack comes back and almost the first thing he does is ask Ianto out on a date, as if he's determined to prove the Doctor wrong.
It would explain Jack's return to Ianto, and his attempt to make things right with him.
Yes, Jack was angry with Ten, but still loyal, and in the end, forgiving. He also seemed to be more angry about the initial abandonment (and century of avoidance) than the Year That Never Was. I suppose he thinks Ten did what he did for love of the Master, and he can understand that kind of motivation.
I suppose he thinks Ten did what he did for love of the Master, and he can understand that kind of motivation.
I think it's maybe a bit more complicated than that. Jack does understand where Ten is coming from, but it's not just love, it's loneliness. In CJH Jack's, 'There is no one', is dangerously close to Ten's largely self-inflicted loneliness in S3.
I never really got over it with Ten, either. I still loved Ten, but it was never the same again. I felt there was a streak of capricious cruelty in him, that he could misuse a friend so badly - a friend not just willing to die for him, but who had proved it in action.
I'm only in the middle of series 3 of DW at the moment, so I haven't got to this point in their relationship, but from everything I've heard I'm dreading it. I love Ten a lot at the minute but as soon as he's mean to Jack he'll be on my hitlist!
I try to rationalize my way around this, but still haven't succeeded. If only Ten had shown Jack some sign of affection - something better than a guarded salute - I could forgive it all easily. As it is, my heart breaks for Jack.
Leaving him on that satellite was more than just a physical abandonment.
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Meanwhile I have the first series to go back to and enjoy.
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I also don't trust Moffat to write Jack properly without RTD being around. Pessimistic, me? I'd like to see him prove me wrong.
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But a lot of Jack's characterisation in S2 does seem to be a direct response to Ten's behaviour in the S3 finale; Ten said that Jack might still be out there somewhere and that he's the only man he's ever going to be happy with, and Jack comes back and almost the first thing he does is ask Ianto out on a date, as if he's determined to prove the Doctor wrong.
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Yes, Jack was angry with Ten, but still loyal, and in the end, forgiving. He also seemed to be more angry about the initial abandonment (and century of avoidance) than the Year That Never Was. I suppose he thinks Ten did what he did for love of the Master, and he can understand that kind of motivation.
Still - I'm angry on his behalf.
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I think it's maybe a bit more complicated than that. Jack does understand where Ten is coming from, but it's not just love, it's loneliness. In CJH Jack's, 'There is no one', is dangerously close to Ten's largely self-inflicted loneliness in S3.
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I want Jack to meet Eleven, because Eleven is more emotionally evolved than his predecessor. I need Eleven to redeem that relationship.
This so colored my view of Ten that I never could watch him with anything like tolerance. He was like your best friend's bad boyfriend.
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Oh, I wish!
I never really got over it with Ten, either. I still loved Ten, but it was never the same again. I felt there was a streak of capricious cruelty in him, that he could misuse a friend so badly - a friend not just willing to die for him, but who had proved it in action.
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Leaving him on that satellite was more than just a physical abandonment.
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