Bourgeois Cheese - FFA Post #213

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Is this a good name for a punk band? Discuss.

Or for extra credit compose Bourgeois Cheese song lyrics.

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Re: Things you wouldn't admit unanon

[anonymous]

I have seen at least 5 people up in arms over this Amazon FF thing who have filed off the serials to their fanfic within the last year. And I think they're hypocrites. Amazon is doing this because of people like them, who have proven you can in fact capitalize on a fanfic audience and go pretty far.

2 of those people defended the filing their fic by swearing it wouldn't even make a wave, and yet they both got fairly impressive contracts from a big NY publisher, so... you know. Stop acting like your actions can't possibly have any effect on the fandom.

Re: Things you wouldn't admit unanon

[anonymous]

IMO they're the same thing but they do feel different -- the authors are hustling and it's hypocritical to act shocked that other people might too, albeit under different rules, but it seems predatory when a corporation starts setting down those rules, especially with the copyright stuff.

Re: Things you wouldn't admit unanon

[anonymous]

AYRT

Well, depending on how big the filed fic gets? Simon and Schuster for instance are making a killing off reworked fanfic. Every month they seem to pick up a new one. The companies are following the money trail, but the authors are the ones who wore the ground into a path.

Re: Things you wouldn't admit unanon

[anonymous]

Who are these authors, anon? Links?

Re: Things you wouldn't admit unanon

[anonymous]

AYRT

Comments made in closed FB group (of course!), but the authors are former Twilight fanfic writers Alice Clayton and the "Lauren" half of "Christina Lauren" (Beautiful Bastard is written by "Christina Lauren", but it's actually 2 people, Christina and Lauren, idk idk)

Re: Things you wouldn't admit unanon

[anonymous]

Out of curiosity, what are the books? Supernatural romance? Romance-romance? Something else entirely?

Re: Things you wouldn't admit unanon

[anonymous]

Alice Clayton has a few filed off fics. One is "The Unidentified Redhead" (and sequels), which was a Robert Pattinson/Kristen Stewart RPF fic, and is generally very chick!lit/romance. The other is "Wallbanger", which used to be an All-Human Twilight AU called "Edward Wallbanger", and is also romance/chick!lit'ish (very Sex and the City ripoff).

Christina Laurens' Beautifal Bastard, Beautiful Bitch, etc books, used to be "The Office", which is a Twilight fanfic that's more on the erotica side of romance. Fifty Shades without the bad BDSM, tbh.

Re: Things you wouldn't admit unanon

[anonymous]

Thanks. That makes all kinds of sense -- those sound like books that might as well have been original to begin with, really, and very obviously commercially focused. And I can't blame someone trying to grind out a novel for doing it as fanfic in the first instance, so that there was some emotional reward and validation along the way. Plus, on the publisher's side of things, why not look to work that's already demonstrated appeal to at least some readers?

(All this seems a lot less problematic to me than the Amazon agreement, because it's less exploitative of the writers involved. But that's another set of issues.)

But it's easy for me to be all detached and cheerful about the file-the-serial-numbers phenomenon. As long as the books keep being things I would never write or read, it's amazing how easy it is to feel neither envious nor threatened nor faintly guilty for not trying to do the same!

Re: Things you wouldn't admit unanon

[anonymous]

AYRT

Re: Things you wouldn't admit unanon

[anonymous]

But if it's not really about the canon or characters you care about, what's the difference

Re: Things you wouldn't admit unanon

[anonymous]

presumably the things getting pulled for commercial publication aren't what we're coming to fandom for at all.

I think we're running into issues comparing two very different types of fandoms, which granted, is something I should have taken into consideration in my earlier posts. You're basically saying that the fan community would be the one to police exploitative instances such as these, but simply not supporting wildly AU stories that have too little to do with their canon; we wouldn't be interested in them as a fanfiction, at least not to the point they'd become Big Name Fics.

In Twilight, this is the goal. It has been ever since Breaking Dawn came out four or five years ago. Very few authors were interested in the canon anymore, and yet they didn't want to leave. Most Twilight fic is wildly AU, All Human, or OOC. Actually, probably a good 75% of it falls into one of these. A canonical story would never get big in this fandom. It's a fandom constructed on it

Re: Things you wouldn't admit unanon

[anonymous]

Interesting! And you're right: all this is new and alien to me as a set of fandom dynamics

Re: Things you wouldn't admit unanon

[anonymous]

NA
This is really interesting, thank you.