Yes, it's epic-ised. I read The Hobbit before Christmas, and the words "Dol Guldur" occur nowhere in it, I assume because when the hobbit was written, that aspect of the world hadn't been fleshed out yet. It's just the "the necromancer's tower" and is taken as a fact of geography by everyone. Also, that story happened much, much earlier. 1700 years by my count. It's clear that the whole wizards vs. the Necromancer thing is going to play a role. It gets all of one sentence near the end of the book.
Azog is canon? Good grief! He seemed like a complete invention. And not the best GCI either. Azog the waxy.
*edit* Also, I only added up now that the elf who appears briefly at the start of the film in an annoying capacity is Thranduil, the elf-king who will be seen again soon. And also is Legolas' dad.
The great goblin is voiced by Dame Edna Everage, which is over the top even for PJ
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"Your grandfather Thror was killed, you remember, in the mines of Moria by Azog the Goblin" - Gandalf to Thorin during An Unexpected Party. Only Jackson can get a recurring villain, several extended action sequences and a whole vendetta plot out of that throwaway line.
I did, actually, wonder how the movie worked for those of the heterosexual male persuasion - presumably you're supposed to fit into the original Tolkien demographic of Boys Who Like Fighting. In an entirely non-academic capacity I can only approve of Hot Dwarves as an address to all this damned testosterone. The story is even lower on women than LotR, and Galadriel doesn't quite redeem it (although I loved the way they posed her dress).
About Azog: I'm sure he remembers. I spot an early occurrence of "as you know, Bob"
I haven't quite sorted out who's an Orc, who's a Goblin and when and if it makes a difference. IIRC, it did not in The Hobbit. I suspect that PJ is changing things to retcon with LotR. Sigh.
Yes, indeed, I did channel my inner 10-year-old boy (Fighting? Great! Girls? Who needs them!).
Galadriel's demeanour is more like that of a great aunt than anything else, and no, no help on that score. But I can't believe that I'm complaining about how The Hobbit fails to supply cheesecake. Eh.
Good call, totally "As you know, Bob"! I think that Tolkien actually uses "goblin" in Hobbit and "orc" in LotR as synonyms - same creature. This particular one I don't think is PJ's fault.
You are totally entitled to complain about lack of cheesecake given the number of ladies going "squee" about the cheesecake :>.
I'm glad to know that my giant-sized crush on a certain dwarvish prince was not an isolated aberration. Also, that parody link is lovely, inspiring me with a very deep desire for a copy of that calendar, as well as a need to point out that the hedgehog was clearly only mostly dead.
As a long time LoTR DM across all the systems, I loved the serious Tolkien-geek references, like the mention of 'Gunderbad wargs' - the Orc city of Mt Gundabad in the northern Misty Mountains is one of my most treasured ICE modules. Also as a DM I loved the 3-dimensionality of Goblin town, and I want to be able to capture that in future, as 2D maps and level plans just can't. The freeform spiralling chaos of the goblin town escape fight blew my mind, really awesome fight/shot/fx choreography, that would be best played in a descriptive combat game like Feng Shui, or my new 13th Age campaign.
Yes, definite geek-squee at recognising Gundabad. Totally with you on that final fight sequence, the speed and creativity is dizzying, "freeform spiralling chaos" exactly!
I knew Rhosgobel sounded familiar, but have had to google it to work out where. More geekery. Frog, that rabbit-sled link is genius. The sled vaguely annoyed me on the grounds of plausibility, but the comment about the woman who skis pulled by six Jack Russells has made me rethink!
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Azog is canon? Good grief! He seemed like a complete invention. And not the best GCI either. Azog the waxy.
*edit* Also, I only added up now that the elf who appears briefly at the start of the film in an annoying capacity is Thranduil, the elf-king who will be seen again soon. And also is Legolas' dad.
The great goblin is voiced by Dame Edna Everage, which is over the top even for PJ ( ... )
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I did, actually, wonder how the movie worked for those of the heterosexual male persuasion - presumably you're supposed to fit into the original Tolkien demographic of Boys Who Like Fighting. In an entirely non-academic capacity I can only approve of Hot Dwarves as an address to all this damned testosterone. The story is even lower on women than LotR, and Galadriel doesn't quite redeem it (although I loved the way they posed her dress).
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I haven't quite sorted out who's an Orc, who's a Goblin and when and if it makes a difference. IIRC, it did not in The Hobbit. I suspect that PJ is changing things to retcon with LotR. Sigh.
Yes, indeed, I did channel my inner 10-year-old boy (Fighting? Great! Girls? Who needs them!).
Galadriel's demeanour is more like that of a great aunt than anything else, and no, no help on that score. But I can't believe that I'm complaining about how The Hobbit fails to supply cheesecake. Eh.
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You are totally entitled to complain about lack of cheesecake given the number of ladies going "squee" about the cheesecake :>.
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The actor who plays Kili is also the vampire from Being Human. I _love_ him so much.
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I knew Rhosgobel sounded familiar, but have had to google it to work out where. More geekery. Frog, that rabbit-sled link is genius. The sled vaguely annoyed me on the grounds of plausibility, but the comment about the woman who skis pulled by six Jack Russells has made me rethink!
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