Yes, it's epic-ised. I read The Hobbit before Christmas, and the words "Dol Guldur" occur nowhere in it, I assume because when the hobbit was written, that aspect of the world hadn't been fleshed out yet. It's just the "the necromancer's tower" and is taken as a fact of geography by everyone. Also, that story happened much, much earlier. 1700 years by my count. It's clear that the whole wizards vs. the Necromancer thing is going to play a role. It gets all of one sentence near the end of the book.
Azog is canon? Good grief! He seemed like a complete invention. And not the best GCI either. Azog the waxy.
*edit* Also, I only added up now that the elf who appears briefly at the start of the film in an annoying capacity is Thranduil, the elf-king who will be seen again soon. And also is Legolas' dad.
The great goblin is voiced by Dame Edna Everage, which is over the top even for PJ.
Despite being the "The Phantom Menace" of the LotR Saga, it's a decent movie. I saw it twice, and I'm looking forward to the next one. Also I watched all 12-ish hours of LotR over the holidays. It holds up, mostly.
Unlike you, a Middle-Earth where everyone except Galadriel is male (and mostly bearded) isn't giving me any reason to fan myself, sadly.
"Your grandfather Thror was killed, you remember, in the mines of Moria by Azog the Goblin" - Gandalf to Thorin during An Unexpected Party. Only Jackson can get a recurring villain, several extended action sequences and a whole vendetta plot out of that throwaway line.
I did, actually, wonder how the movie worked for those of the heterosexual male persuasion - presumably you're supposed to fit into the original Tolkien demographic of Boys Who Like Fighting. In an entirely non-academic capacity I can only approve of Hot Dwarves as an address to all this damned testosterone. The story is even lower on women than LotR, and Galadriel doesn't quite redeem it (although I loved the way they posed her dress).
About Azog: I'm sure he remembers. I spot an early occurrence of "as you know, Bob"
I haven't quite sorted out who's an Orc, who's a Goblin and when and if it makes a difference. IIRC, it did not in The Hobbit. I suspect that PJ is changing things to retcon with LotR. Sigh.
Yes, indeed, I did channel my inner 10-year-old boy (Fighting? Great! Girls? Who needs them!).
Galadriel's demeanour is more like that of a great aunt than anything else, and no, no help on that score. But I can't believe that I'm complaining about how The Hobbit fails to supply cheesecake. Eh.
Good call, totally "As you know, Bob"! I think that Tolkien actually uses "goblin" in Hobbit and "orc" in LotR as synonyms - same creature. This particular one I don't think is PJ's fault.
You are totally entitled to complain about lack of cheesecake given the number of ladies going "squee" about the cheesecake :>.
Poor wording and I can't edit it now. "I'm sure he remembers" *should* read something like "I'm sure Thorin remembers. Constantly, broodingly, dramatically, scenically. In PJ's version (and reading what's implied by the Boys Own Adventure text, not in Tolkien's version either) he doesn't need to be told his own Tragic Backstory."
Azog is canon? Good grief! He seemed like a complete invention. And not the best GCI either. Azog the waxy.
*edit* Also, I only added up now that the elf who appears briefly at the start of the film in an annoying capacity is Thranduil, the elf-king who will be seen again soon. And also is Legolas' dad.
The great goblin is voiced by Dame Edna Everage, which is over the top even for PJ.
Despite being the "The Phantom Menace" of the LotR Saga, it's a decent movie. I saw it twice, and I'm looking forward to the next one. Also I watched all 12-ish hours of LotR over the holidays. It holds up, mostly.
Unlike you, a Middle-Earth where everyone except Galadriel is male (and mostly bearded) isn't giving me any reason to fan myself, sadly.
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I did, actually, wonder how the movie worked for those of the heterosexual male persuasion - presumably you're supposed to fit into the original Tolkien demographic of Boys Who Like Fighting. In an entirely non-academic capacity I can only approve of Hot Dwarves as an address to all this damned testosterone. The story is even lower on women than LotR, and Galadriel doesn't quite redeem it (although I loved the way they posed her dress).
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I haven't quite sorted out who's an Orc, who's a Goblin and when and if it makes a difference. IIRC, it did not in The Hobbit. I suspect that PJ is changing things to retcon with LotR. Sigh.
Yes, indeed, I did channel my inner 10-year-old boy (Fighting? Great! Girls? Who needs them!).
Galadriel's demeanour is more like that of a great aunt than anything else, and no, no help on that score. But I can't believe that I'm complaining about how The Hobbit fails to supply cheesecake. Eh.
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You are totally entitled to complain about lack of cheesecake given the number of ladies going "squee" about the cheesecake :>.
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