Comments | erin_starlight: Did Andrew get off easy?

erin_starlight

Did Andrew get off easy?

May 26, 2008 23:53

A lot of us have long debated the treatment of characters like Spike, Angel and Faith vs. that of Willow and the other Scoobies when they did wrong. But what about the semi-new-Scooby-in-training Andrew Wells?

( Yoda only knows )

btvs

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berric May 27 2008, 11:44:53 UTC

I totally agree with you.

the sad thing is i think it is because Joss likes Andrew. Those who Joss like get away with things.
I do not like Andrew. Didn't like him in BTVS and any goodwill i had for him in the beginning of Damage (it was nice to see someone who was happy to see Spike.) diminished by the end of the ep and was completely gone in TGIQ.
I never thought that he felt any remorse for his actions, especially what he did in season six. I know that he cries in Storyteller but i always thought that was because Buffy threatened to kill him. Lets be honest he should be in jail.
Perhaps it is because they do not see him as a threat at least not to Buffy like they perceive Faith to be. He reminds me a little of early Xander actually with the fandom references and the jokes all the time.
I could put it down to the fact that they were desparate for people after the Council blew up. I sort of hope that it will come to bite them in the ass but i sincerely doubt that it will.

erin-starlight too lazy too log in berric May 27 2008, 16:05:45 UTC

Yeah, there are a lot of things that Joss likes that make no sense to me and seem to come out of no where ( ... )

Re: erin-starlight too lazy too log in berric May 29 2008, 02:46:28 UTC

I think Andrew had some demon language skills or something like that but combat wise he had nothing.
I may not have liked how quickly Kennedy was given authority over the other potentials, training wise at least, nor understood just why Buffy revealed everything to Wood as quickly as she did. They at least has some fighting capabilities.

For some reason i think the Scoobies didn't think about Wesley maturing and gaining experience. I think they saw him as the Wesley of BTVS season three. Which IMHO is still better then Andrew. I agree about Giles Pride being a factor in not asking Angel and co to join them. I also think he probably thought that he was protecting Buffy from Angel.

Re: erin-starlight too lazy too log in erin_starlight May 29 2008, 03:50:56 UTC

I remember Andrew being able to summon demons just not control them, it doesn't seem like that great a talent unless you're a bad guy. He has no understanding of how Buffys' world works outside of his flights of fantasy much less, like you said, combat skills. Kennedy and Wood also knew things, both had the training.

I got that impression too but then again Willow and Giles both kept in contact with Wes and Cordy. Giles should have figured out that Angel wouldn't have kept Wes if he wasn't useful. I don't think Giles trust either Buffy or Willow in making choices regarding Angel. He refused to even tell Willow about Fred, he never gave her the choice.

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terra May 27 2008, 16:57:26 UTC

I completely agree, this was really bugging me about S8 and I kind of like Andrew. I have no idea why they're letting him hang around-- maybe keeping him surrounded with slayers is supposed to be keeping him in check? But he was all alone on his Angel cameo so I don't know.

erin_starlight May 28 2008, 00:16:21 UTC

I'd buy that they were keeping him in check if it were some people that weren't newbie slayers. If something made Andrew switch sides again he'd be in the perfect spot to influence the girls. Assuming they listen to him, if not then why is he in the role in the first place?

The Angel cameo gets me because if all those girls were slayers WHY didn't they deal with the Dana situation themselves? To test Angel? If so that was reckless on Giles/Andrew/Buffy/whoevers' part in terms of planning. Either Angel and crew could have died or Dana could have been killed/gotten away.

little_dumpling June 18 2008, 22:47:20 UTC

i am interested by what you've brought up here. i think you have some good points, and i can see some of their validation, even though i really like andrew ( ... )

erin_starlight June 18 2008, 23:45:13 UTC

I'm not the type to follow conventions and such unless I'm REALLY excited about something being unveiled. Even then I'm more of the sort that likes for it to speak for it's self onscreen.

A lot of characters are cute, etc. but my pet peeve is when the characters' faults are not addressed--which is why I prefer ATS over BTVS. I respect the characters more when I see these issues addressed.

I wouldn't mind Andrew over Jonathan if his character development was done better. As it stands now (with or without the comic canon) he seems sweet but is sneaky and doesn't dwell much on his crimes. There were too many "I did wrong now I must atone" stories going on in season 7 and I feel his story suffered for it.

I don't like abusing characters. If I don't like them I either try to find something I do like to write about them or not touch them at all. This isn't about hating him, it's about not getting the point of his character.

I don't mind the long comment, it's always interesting to hear what people have to say. :)