Just a thought that popped up...

[eposia]

Unless and until the Open Source Boob Project that everyone is fussing about lately is accompanied by an Open Source Ball-Grabbing Project filled with similar numbers of enthusiastic participants, the OSBP will remain sexist in overtone

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[freyapax]

I thought on the original post there was an edit saying that was the case? Or maybe I just dreamed it cause it seems appropriate. :P

[atdt1991]

The original poster (who is not, not, NOT the originator of the project, who doesn't have the parts in question) allowed those touches. Of course, he was in women's panties, since he was dressed impeccably as Frank N Furter.

The heels were really something.

[atdt1991]

The name was poorly thought of and not indicative of body parts grabbed. I promise you that all parts touched were secondary sexual characteristics only, and that it is my personal opinion (knowing very well that I could be very wrong, and willing to hear that) that had you been there at the time and heard the -actual- explanation at the convention rather than the one posted online, and been amongst this particular group of people, at that time in the night, I think you'd probably have enthusiastically participated

[eposia]

Hmm. I didn't say it to be inflammatory, but based on an argument I read for the reasons to the project, that seemed to me to be incomplete. I'm hearing at least one report from another participant that male breasts and butts were part of the OSBP as well, which certainly sounds like a reasonable balance if true.

And it's quite probable I would have participated, even enthusiastically. I am sorry your heart aches over this, but my intent here is not to cause you more pain. I am not hearing enough about the true gender-nonspecificity of the event, or wasn't until I started this post and a comment in Anne's post, so for me it's very relevant.

[atdt1991]

I wore my "yes" pin, and both my bum and my chest were squeezed by people who asked "may I?" - both women and men did so, too.

[eposia]

If you'll note, I amended the original entry to include reference to our discussion here.

[freyapax]

Oh and I meant to say, I don't get it. I mean I don't get what the fuss is about. I mean if I had someone come up and ask to touch my boobs, and *then* get snarky with me if I said no, THEN I might be upset, but that would be because that person (male or female) would be an asshole, but the idea in general ... cool.

Personally I find the idea that its okay to play with someones hair without asking, or hug a stranger without asking (especially from behind), or a whole host of other "acceptable" touches, to be alot more potentially irritating and offensive than "Can I touch your boobs? No? Okay thanks."

But then ... thats me.

[atdt1991]

Not to monopolize reesa's journal, but this is why kissing, of any kind, was never a part of the 'project'.

[eposia]

If one of the intents of the project is to desexualize breasts, then I am all for that. But I haven't seen that argument pop up on my friend's list yet.

[atdt1991]

Most of the people who participated in the project are hunkered down under friends-locked posts, more or less mortified.

[psylent1]

Awesome :P hehe

BTW got your email but I'm at work and can't possibly pay it the attention it deserves until I'm back at home.

[eposia]

oh no worries, take your time!

[just_one_view]

Hello.

I am gathering up the annoymous views of the people who actually participated but do not wish to have this clusterfreakout on their doorstep. Unfortunately, all the females involved are too hurt and scared to comment on it, which truly is sad and says a great deal about the tone and response from people.

Hopefully, once everyone calms the hell down we can actually have the discussion that I really want. Heck I'm crazy enough to think about writing Jer about getting a pannel on this topic on next year's con.

I must be crazy.