I'd never heard of this practice, though, sadly it doesn't surprise me. I wear skirts all the time, and now I'm going to be hyper vigilant. This just depresses me.
It's very depressing, and very scary. I wasn't a huge fan of skirts anyway, but reading an article like that makes me even less inclined to wear them.
There have been convictions and jail time for the practice in some states, but other states don't have laws this behavior breaks, and so it is technically illegal. In those states, about all you could do was to sue them in civil court.
That's the question, isn't it? I think that most women wear underwear, tights, or pantyhose under skirts, so most twat waffles aren't going to get a picture of anything. The author of the Jezebel article suggested that it was the prurient thrill of seeing something they didn't have permission to see, and I think that's about it.
I've read about cases like this before, though I've never experienced any sort of sexual harassment personally (read: I probably have, and forgot to notice, just like I fail to noice 99% of social cues.) Unless you count a bunch of thirteen-year-old boys yelling at me because I had unshaven legs, which at the time I just thought was bizarre.
What I find really disturbing is the way women's bodies are *routinely* treated as objects, all over the media; you can't get away from it. It's not that I have particular issues with nudity, it's that women's bodies are always presented as representing sex and the availability thereof. The nude or semi-nude female form *personifies* sex in a way even a naked man never does. And it shouldn't be that way. Yes, women's bodies can be sexy, but they shouldn't be used to represent sex first and women last. I just don't know how that kind of societal change happens.
What I find really disturbing is the way women's bodies are *routinely* treated as objects, all over the media; you can't get away from it.
Yes, this. Nudity is one thing, but the objectification of the nude (or fully clothed) female form is something else altogether. It's really frustrating.
I guess I wasn't clear. I don't think that this means women shouldn't wear skirts, just that I'm that much less likely to do so. (But then, I generally prefer pants, so that's not a big deal for me.)
I don't think that women need to change their behavior or what they wear, just like I don't think that women should refuse to leave the house for fear of getting molested. But I think it's important to be vigilant.
More than anything else, I deplore the idea that we have to worry about this at all. We shouldn't have to, and that bugs me.
Sorry for double posting but I hit the wrong key at the wrong moment and couldn't finish my sentence, hence my deleting the post above!
I know that you weren't saying that women shouldn't wear skirt yet you said "there isn't anything I can do about it, other than not wear skirts" which triggered by reaction.
No, it's okay, you weren't rude. I might not have been clear.
Sometimes this sort of thing just frustrates me so terribly, you know? I feel powerless against it, especially in the face of the attitudes of men I love.
You know this bothers me...because it reminds me of the argument used by some Muslim women who say that they prefer to wear a scarf, and thus give up showing their hair, because men would respect them more then, and they would feel safer.
Whatever what makes some people horny, makes them try to steal pictures or makes them try to molest women, a woman should never surrender because of such behaviours.
What's next? Wearing a chadril because some men would think that any female body part would excite them and therefore would cause improper behaviour and troubles?
For me feminism means not accepting that this is a men's world where women must adopt a certain attitude and certain outfits if they want to be safe.
AS for Dollhouse, I think that Joss made pretty clear that what the organization does is wrong, that Echo is nothing but a slave, hence the character played by Tahmoh Peniket who wnats to take the organization down because it's criminal.
Did you read st_salieri's post on Dollhouse? I haven't watched it, but that's not because I think that Joss will celebrate what's being done, but because the concept is one I have trouble with. To be frank, it squicks me, and to have it go on week after week squicks me more.
I'll use the same metaphor that I did over on that post. When I was a kid, my grandparents owned a cabin by a lake, and we would swim in it. We had a great time, but as I got older, the sand and mud and other things started to gross me out, and I couldn't swim there anymore. Other people still swim in that lake, and that's great. I'm happy that they can enjoy it, but I can't. That's kind of how I feel about Dollhouse. The premise is such that it's going to be very difficult for me to watch it, but I don't begrudge others the opportunity.
I understand. And you have every right not to partake in the Jossvest. Besides so far the show isn't that good. But it has Tahmoh in it (I'm not using my Tahmoh icon in this post though
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Hee! I definitely see your point, and I think it's a good one. In a perfect world, gender would be pointless in a storyline like that, and we would be able to focus solely on the politics. Unfortunately, it's not a perfect world.
Then again, I honestly think I would have the same problem with the storyline if the dolls were all male, or if Tahmoh had been the doll and Eliza was the FBI agent. When the overarching theme is exploitation of human beings, I don't think I'm going to be able to handle that on a weekly basis. I've seen it too often in real life, and it's hard for me to separate fantasy from reality in those situations.
That said, if Tahmoh had been the doll and had been in the limelight, I might have tuned in just for the sheer eye candy factor. ;-)
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There have been convictions and jail time for the practice in some states, but other states don't have laws this behavior breaks, and so it is technically illegal. In those states, about all you could do was to sue them in civil court.
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What I find really disturbing is the way women's bodies are *routinely* treated as objects, all over the media; you can't get away from it. It's not that I have particular issues with nudity, it's that women's bodies are always presented as representing sex and the availability thereof. The nude or semi-nude female form *personifies* sex in a way even a naked man never does. And it shouldn't be that way. Yes, women's bodies can be sexy, but they shouldn't be used to represent sex first and women last. I just don't know how that kind of societal change happens.
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Yes, this. Nudity is one thing, but the objectification of the nude (or fully clothed) female form is something else altogether. It's really frustrating.
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I don't think that women need to change their behavior or what they wear, just like I don't think that women should refuse to leave the house for fear of getting molested. But I think it's important to be vigilant.
More than anything else, I deplore the idea that we have to worry about this at all. We shouldn't have to, and that bugs me.
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I know that you weren't saying that women shouldn't wear skirt yet you said "there isn't anything I can do about it, other than not wear skirts" which triggered by reaction.
I hope I wasn't rude.
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Sometimes this sort of thing just frustrates me so terribly, you know? I feel powerless against it, especially in the face of the attitudes of men I love.
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Whatever what makes some people horny, makes them try to steal pictures or makes them try to molest women, a woman should never surrender because of such behaviours.
What's next? Wearing a chadril because some men would think that any female body part would excite them and therefore would cause improper behaviour and troubles?
For me feminism means not accepting that this is a men's world where women must adopt a certain attitude and certain outfits if they want to be safe.
AS for Dollhouse, I think that Joss made pretty clear that what the organization does is wrong, that Echo is nothing but a slave, hence the character played by Tahmoh Peniket who wnats to take the organization down because it's criminal.
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I'll use the same metaphor that I did over on that post. When I was a kid, my grandparents owned a cabin by a lake, and we would swim in it. We had a great time, but as I got older, the sand and mud and other things started to gross me out, and I couldn't swim there anymore. Other people still swim in that lake, and that's great. I'm happy that they can enjoy it, but I can't. That's kind of how I feel about Dollhouse. The premise is such that it's going to be very difficult for me to watch it, but I don't begrudge others the opportunity.
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Then again, I honestly think I would have the same problem with the storyline if the dolls were all male, or if Tahmoh had been the doll and Eliza was the FBI agent. When the overarching theme is exploitation of human beings, I don't think I'm going to be able to handle that on a weekly basis. I've seen it too often in real life, and it's hard for me to separate fantasy from reality in those situations.
That said, if Tahmoh had been the doll and had been in the limelight, I might have tuned in just for the sheer eye candy factor. ;-)
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