The Ultimate List of Shadiest People in ASUCD

[emosnail]

   In my five years of involvement in ASUCD, I have seen a lot of extremely shady antics. As I’ve mentioned before, I do not believe power corrupts, I believe power allows the already-prone-to-corruption to show themselves. There are a lot of scandals in real government, and students love to point these out - but what most people don’t realize is

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[robroy10280]

Kris, I love you buddy.... and if you want to call me shady then you have the right. But ranking Kristen Birdsall so high to the top (and even shadier than me) is just based off from a personal vendetta over that drama you two shared. She is not shady, even if she is rational

[emosnail]

Sarah Henry tried to impeach me twice as many times as Birdsall did, and had long-running tension with me. If I were to have a vendetta against anyone, it would be Henry. But Henry you may notice is ranked appx 23rd most shady. Birdsall is ranked more than four times worse than Henry because she tried to remove four people because they disagreed with a decision she supported, and I would rank her so high regardless of whether I happened to be one of them. A lot of people seem to have a high opinion of Birdsall and I'm sure she's otherwise a very pleasant person, but on a similar note I actually thought Jamie Ackerman was a very very nice guy, and still do.

[oeaschwab]

I guess I should be happy to have made no lists of yours since Ostrowski has me on about 5.

The retroactive solution was very controversial, and whether or not you agreed with it, I fully believe everyone had the best intentions, on both sides. So I am going to second Rob's assertion that Kristin should not be on the list. And how are Ackerman, Sanders and Lloyd lower on the list than Peake? Peake retracted his statement that Markevich should be fired and pulled his call for a closed session. I also would have put Jon as #1 on exemplary, no offense Mattie :).

[emosnail]

The Retroactive solution issue was so much more than just trying to deal with the succession crisis, there was also the issue of retreating behind closed doors to write legislation in secrecy and get ultra defensive about making sure they succeeded into office. And to go above and beyond all that to actually call for the impeachment of people who disagreed is outragious, and I stand behind my placement of Birdsall. Its not a personal vendetta, I actually had I nice conversation with her at a party immediately afterwords -I think Kristy even thought I was flirting with her- the point is that I do not take it personally, I don't take any of this personally. Nevertheless, calling for the impeachment of people because they disagree with you is outragious.

[emosnail]

Oh an as to Ackerman, Sanders and Lloyd versus Peake ... well the worst Lloyd actually did was come up with the retroactive solution, the worst Sanders did was change parties (which really I wouldn't call terribly condemnable), and Ackerman, well, he just tried not to resign, which is just self-interest ... whereas what Peake did, aspiring to persecute someone for their beliefs, I believe is much worse than simply trying to preserve oneself in office. While its true Peake didn't go through with it, in the week prior to receiving threats of legal action and such he was all about it. We can't say for certain he would have gone through with it if he hadn't realized it was illegal, but the fact that he at any point thought it was an excellent idea shows that he was operating with a broken moral compass.

[oeaschwab]

Broken moral compass? Kris, I would expect you to understand a situation before you apply commentary. I mean that is usually a good policy. But hey, thats just me.

The idea to call the closed session was not my idea. I was down for talking about if Pete's handling of the situation (not the fact he was an idiot in the first place) rendered him unable to perform in his duties. Have I made some stupid mistakes? Sure. But I think I am not too shady.

Student Government

[libpaul]

Kris, this was definately a very comprehensive list you wrote up there. But, I should remind you that the name is "Goren", not "Goran" like you wrote above. You can facebook it to verify.

And, this note is not only a good guide for people new to ASUCD, but will serve as a warning to anyone who might evaluate others based on their past experiences (such as people who recruit based on resumes). I for one will be very critical of anyone mentioning student government on their resume, simply because what they did in office, or even what they did to get into office, could be extremely unacceptable to do in the outside world. Not that all former officers are bad, but I have seen enough myself to be very suspicious.

Re: Student Government

[emosnail]

I think I calculated that I've served with some 76 Senators. This list only contains 23 names. As such, ONLY approximately a third of student government officers are critically lacking in ethics! (=

Re: Student Government

[libpaul]

Haha, your statistics will now make me more at ease should I ever have to recuit a former student government person for anything. ;)

Re: Student Government

[emosnail]

Though it should be noted that I believe its not that power corrupts but that it allows those who are prone to be corrupt to show themselves. It may be true that more ambitious people, who are therefore more prone to be shady, may gravitat towards student government, I don't think a random sampling of the population would necessarily be that much better.

[blueliquid13]

You god damn right.

[blueliquid13]

Leathers should be #1.

Thanks for the props though, sir.

[gennadotorg]

you are sooo shady

[kilkenny]

Oh man I miss the drama! Wonder where I would have fallen on the unqualified candidates scandal if I had been elected. Guess we'll never know, I think my time was better spent watching movies and playing music (purely selfishly, ya know?).

[emosnail]

Seriously, a few times recently I've found myself recounting various scandals or controversies to people and then thinking... man, those were the good old days!!