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[elizabeth_hoot]

Finals are next week. Literature classes don't have finals, they have essays. The week before finals. Which is this week.

I didn't quite make it to class, but I just turned in the first - entitled (yes, seriously) "The Betty-Veronica Dichotomy in Pride and Prejudice, The Awakening, Wuthering Heights, 'The Americanization of Pau Tsu' and 'A New

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[hlbr]

*envies classes without exams*

How's that peer review thing? You have to judge a classmate's essay or something?

I salute you for getting the essays done on time. I procrastinated until last possible minute, and one of my lab reports is like a quarter of the length they're supposed to be. -_- What does 'Betty-Veronica' refer to?

That's really the big problem about psychology in general, really--some people forget they're just models. It's not the people who have to conform to it, it's the model that has to get flexible enough to apply to anyone the psychologist wants to help. (I won't try to guess what evo-psi people attempt to do.) And I say it as a female child who said she was a boy and played mainly in the street (I was a pirate!) and with blocks. Until I got that in the books I could be anything, really.

What do you mean by androgyny?

[tulina]

I'm so glad I'm not even sure what evo-psy is about. :D

Also, I really don't think androgyny and asexuality are connected at all.

[elizabeth_hoot]

We have to analyse a classmate's essay, yes, and give useful feedback, and they do the same for us and then we revise. And apparently you're graded more on how substantially you revise than on the essay. Though it's hard to say, because my teacher doesn't give grades.

Betty and Veronica are the female leads of Archie comics. Betty's a nice, wholesome, blonde "girl next door," while Veronica is bold, dark, arrogant and ambitious. Pretty much the absolute stereotype of the good girl-difficult girl thing. Fictional women almost always seem to come in those kinds of pairs.

Evo-psy -- yes, I'm not sure what the point even is. But I think that can be a serious downside of the whole academic ... thing. I love academia, but the emphasis on specialisation and novelty can have seriously screwed up consequences. (Like John Money. D: )

Oh! I forgot about the other definitions of androgyny. I just meant it as - um, not identifying as male or female. Well, either male or female. Pretty much the androgyne part of the wikipedia

[hlbr]

Archie! The names ringed a bell, but I wouldn't have guessed. Heh.

I'm not sure about the androgyny thing.

As vaguely related but in the end OT observation, my three yo cousin told me Sunday, 'You're male'* I was a bit o_O. I don't have my hair short any more (which tends to confuse kids that just started kindergarten, as their teachers always draw those easy/ridiculous patterns about how girls and boys are), but I guess I don't behave in particular feminine ways, either? Just struck me as... a little weird, but not entirely. I never refer to myself as a woman, after all (or at least, as 'mujer'; in English is a little easier to detach myself from the word).

*Actually, 'Vos sos varón' I'm not sure if the translation fits completely.

[ali972]

No wonder you're tired!

*puts on NT hat* I sorta struggled with this on a subconscious level, I think, when I hit my teens and into my twenties. I can remember wondering if I was 'okay' as I was when a boy I liked passed me over for a more 'girly' girl with a 'you're very smart and cute, but you're more like talking to one of the boys than a girl??' Or why some adults thought my contribution to society should be mostly limited to having babies and being a 'good wife.' I didn't have sexual confusion since I've always been attracted to the opposite sex, but it did take me awhile to figure out the rest. I'm not sure most of my friends/family, perhaps with the exception of my husband, had any idea of how much I struggled with guilt and self-doubt.

[liarashadowsong]

I'm not sure. I'm asexual (not aromantic, however, but somewhere between demiromantic and biromantic, I believe). According to the Bem test, I fall under the androgynous category, though I prefer the terms agender or non-gendered for myself (I am female assigned and present as female in general, however). But... I'm not entirely convinced I'm NT, although I have no desire to be tested regarding this presently (I'm more than aware of the potential dangers of over-self-diagnosis, and although many of the characteristics of AS appear describe me to a T, the present guidelines appear to hinge too strongly upon clinically significant impairment for me to meet them anyways - occasionally, I dislike psychology nearly as much as I do politics, and this is one of those times), and as a result may not be very representative of the population in general

[elizabeth_hoot]

Oh! At the time I wrote this, I wasn't familiar with NT as shorthand for neurotypical--I meant NT as in the letters within the MBTI personality types. If you're not familiar with it, it basically asks whether you're more introverted or extraverted (I/E), more abstractly or concretely focused (N/S), more cerebral or emotional (T/F), or more decisive or flexible (J/P). Another theory collapses them into four basic temperaments: SPs, SJs, NTs, and NFs. NTs, iirc, were the only group with a reported gender differential (though it's all deeply flawed in methodological terms--just useful/entertaining for discussion sometimes), so I was wondering about INTP/INTJ/ENTP/ENTJ women here (I'm INTJ).

I'm not neurotypical myself (I'm on the spectrum, in fact), and - I mean, I think rigidly defined anything can be dangerous, simply because human experience is complex, and also that labeling can be harmful. But I'm all for labels that are accurate and useful, and I don't see either of these as particularly rigid (I'm grey-A, so obviously that one

[liarashadowsong]

Oh! That also makes sense. ...Makes more sense, actually, haha. (There are way too many acronyms out there, eventually they get really confusing.) I'm INTJ also, ironically enough considering its supposed rarity. So there may be a tie between the middle of your MBTI being NT and the whole gender thing. (I should maybe clarify that I'm slightly feminine-leaning androgynous, technically, so despite self-identifying in a mostly non-gendered way, in day to day life I typically just stick with "I'm a woman" and present clearly as such the majority of the time, unless somebody actually wants the detailed answer.) And yes, accurate and useful labels are good, and I definitely consider having an asexual spectrum to be one of the useful labels. (Also, I find both the Bem scale and MBTI fascinating.)