I really should be packing, or cleaning, or chasing squatters out of my parking stall or, you know, something, possibly making Baba Ganoush. But no
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That 'Will saw the kiss, so that he would be driven to piracy'. The fuck? Why exactly? for revenge? to make himself more attractive to Elizabeth? What is it about seeing that that would turn him make him a pirate besides those two things.
I really think Will's new goal is to free his father. You'll notice at the end Tia Dalma addresses him and it permeates somewhat, when she talks about how Will wanted to use the Pearl to save Bootstrap - to me, that would be a plausible reason to be driven to piracy. The old man may be a right bastard, but he IS Will's father and I think Will's sense of familial obligation is stronger even than his manufactured obligation to Elizabeth.
I also read that in AWE, Will is all about revenge. That he's hell bent on making Jack suffer for 'stealing his girl'.Where did you read that? On a fan site, I hope? Will doesn't strike me as that type - one hopes he has enough sense to KNOW Elizabeth by now and that she doesn't do anything she doesn't want to. And Jack is a lot of things, but someone who forces
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I really think Will's new goal is to free his father.
I completely agree, but I also think it's already firmly established by the time he sees 'the kiss'. My issue is why is it that particular event that pushes him to piracy? And does he really need to be pushed to piracy? He's done a few piratey things already: broke an man out of jail, commandeered a ship of the fleet, sailed with a buccaneer crew out of Tortuga, not to mention his 'treasure' obsession, and that was just in CotBP. In DMC, he prevaricates, dices for his soul, pick pockets (tentacles?) the 'devil', welshes on his pseudo-deal with Jack. He may not be a Jack or Barbossa level scallywag, but he's hardly an upstanding citizen.
Where did you read that? On a fan site, I hope?
It was, it may have even been potc_discussion. But honestly, I should have know better than to read it. When someone has to preface their posts by promising no '
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My issue is why is it that particular event that pushes him to piracy?
My closest guess is that it could be construed that Will thinks Elizabeth wants Jack instead of him, so (1) he no longer has to hang on to any vestige of law-abidingness to satisfy Elizabeth or her father, and he can instead turn his attention to freeing his own father any way possible, or (2) he thinks it's the pirate thing that Elizabeth wants, so he tries to become *more* of one as an attention-getter. The first seems more likely to me, given Will's personality.
I'm not sure we can give much credit to the spoilers, either, except to know some of them are surely true - just which ones, we've no clue.
he no longer has to hang on to any vestige of law-abidingness to satisfy Elizabeth or her father, and he can instead turn his attention to freeing his own father any way possible
I get this, and it makes sense. I guess it just irritates me that the one thing that was actually about Will (saving Pops) and not Elizabeth, or his relationship with her, or his understandable need to save her, seems to somehow boomerang around and become all about Elizabeth, again.
But really, considering the kind of guy Will is, it's understandable. I mean, he loves her, it is appropriate that he considers her in what he does and how it could affect her and those she cares about.
Rational moment aside, the thought of #2 being a possibility just makes me nuts.
I'm not sure we can give much credit to the spoilers, either, except to know some of them are surely true - just which ones, we've no clue.
Absolutely, but there is just so much crap to weed through. Even the true ones can be misleading in the wrong context.
The thing is, Elizabeth has her detractors too (Jack doesn't really, but then again, Jack is JACK and can get away with pretty much anything), but I can see where hers come from, given her actions and behavior. Yet, you're not allowed to compare Elizabeth and Will as characters because one doesn't have a penis. I'm sorry, but isn't that the exact opposite of the goal of feminism? I thought the idea was to get to the point where you could expect the same high standards of both genders, NOT make excuses for one over the other - just in reverse, now.
I am having no end of trouble with my laptop the last little while (I'd really think it was jealous of the new TV if it hadn't been acting up prior to yesterday) and the stupid thing just ate my reply. So I'll try again
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I really think Will's new goal is to free his father. You'll notice at the end Tia Dalma addresses him and it permeates somewhat, when she talks about how Will wanted to use the Pearl to save Bootstrap - to me, that would be a plausible reason to be driven to piracy. The old man may be a right bastard, but he IS Will's father and I think Will's sense of familial obligation is stronger even than his manufactured obligation to Elizabeth.
I also read that in AWE, Will is all about revenge. That he's hell bent on making Jack suffer for 'stealing his girl'.Where did you read that? On a fan site, I hope? Will doesn't strike me as that type - one hopes he has enough sense to KNOW Elizabeth by now and that she doesn't do anything she doesn't want to. And Jack is a lot of things, but someone who forces ( ... )
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Contribution! I love contribution! Drinks all around! (Okay, possibly just a wee bit to much Jack today).
I really think Will's new goal is to free his father.
I completely agree, but I also think it's already firmly established by the time he sees 'the kiss'. My issue is why is it that particular event that pushes him to piracy? And does he really need to be pushed to piracy? He's done a few piratey things already: broke an man out of jail, commandeered a ship of the fleet, sailed with a buccaneer crew out of Tortuga, not to mention his 'treasure' obsession, and that was just in CotBP. In DMC, he prevaricates, dices for his soul, pick pockets (tentacles?) the 'devil', welshes on his pseudo-deal with Jack. He may not be a Jack or Barbossa level scallywag, but he's hardly an upstanding citizen.
Where did you read that? On a fan site, I hope?
It was, it may have even been potc_discussion. But honestly, I should have know better than to read it. When someone has to preface their posts by promising no ' ( ... )
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My closest guess is that it could be construed that Will thinks Elizabeth wants Jack instead of him, so (1) he no longer has to hang on to any vestige of law-abidingness to satisfy Elizabeth or her father, and he can instead turn his attention to freeing his own father any way possible, or (2) he thinks it's the pirate thing that Elizabeth wants, so he tries to become *more* of one as an attention-getter. The first seems more likely to me, given Will's personality.
I'm not sure we can give much credit to the spoilers, either, except to know some of them are surely true - just which ones, we've no clue.
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I get this, and it makes sense. I guess it just irritates me that the one thing that was actually about Will (saving Pops) and not Elizabeth, or his relationship with her, or his understandable need to save her, seems to somehow boomerang around and become all about Elizabeth, again.
But really, considering the kind of guy Will is, it's understandable. I mean, he loves her, it is appropriate that he considers her in what he does and how it could affect her and those she cares about.
Rational moment aside, the thought of #2 being a possibility just makes me nuts.
I'm not sure we can give much credit to the spoilers, either, except to know some of them are surely true - just which ones, we've no clue.
Absolutely, but there is just so much crap to weed through. Even the true ones can be misleading in the wrong context.
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