Politics.

Jun 04, 2008 14:40

I'm late to this I know, but last week a religious leader (one that's white, too, which was surprising to me) at Obama's (now former) church said a few things about Hillary Clinton:

The Rev. Michael Pfleger, a Chicago activist, also apologized for last Sunday's sermon at Obama's church, in which he said Clinton's eyes welled with tears before the ( Read more... )

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inever June 4 2008, 19:03:21 UTC
Is this it?

This guy comes off like a stand up comedian. I had to double check to make sure it was really the guy because I thought it was a comedy skit it was so ridiculous.

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dzuunmod June 4 2008, 19:06:02 UTC
I'm at work right now and I don't see this on my computer. So if no one has confirmed by the time I get home, I'll do so then. :)

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inever June 4 2008, 19:07:29 UTC
Ok no problem. I'm pretty sure now that it is. I did a google image search for him and it's the same guy. I guess I just couldn't believe it was sincere on account of how ridiculous he seemed.

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dzuunmod June 4 2008, 19:09:21 UTC
Assuming it is the same clip (and I've only heard audio, but I've heard it a number of times), the thing I noticed most is in the audience reaction. Sounded to me like pretty much everyone in the place was riding the same vibe he was...

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eclips1st June 4 2008, 19:46:33 UTC
I'm not agreeing or disagreeing in any way, but I've also been reading that Clinton has been toughening up her act, acting very manly about this whole election. Some have even suggested that she acts like a man in order to be accepted more readily.

Any thoughts on how this ties in with this?

(I have some perceptions from this entire electoral process, but only second-hand. Because of this, I try to stay open-minded about it all. )

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dzuunmod June 5 2008, 13:46:44 UTC
I absolutely think that she has acted in more "manly" ways in order to be seen as "Presidential". I think that goes with the territory in politics. Can you think of a woman who's been elected to a high office (anywhere in the world) who wasn't seen as being pretty tough?

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labellavoce83 June 4 2008, 20:22:52 UTC
I'm not going to begin this by saying "Not to sound racist," because I know it's going to come off that way... unfortunately. I've run into many African-American people who think they are entitled to quite a lot of things in life. For example, my father is a public school teacher and was pretty much told he was racist because he *gasp* failed a black student for not doing their homework or passing any tests. This kid even threatened to take my dad to court over everything. I don't know if that's entitlement or just playing the race card, but either way it's annoying. I suppose rich white kids take on that attitude, as well ("My parents make a lot of money so you can't fail me"), and whatever the case - it's ridiculous and ignorant. I don't like people who find a way to feel oppressed, and I highly doubt Hillary is feeling oppressed because a black man could be (should be) our next president ( ... )

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dzuunmod June 5 2008, 13:48:34 UTC
Nah, people are too nice in my journal. :p

I think that affirmative action is always bound to make some of the people it's supposed to help feel somewhat entitled.

And I realize racism does still exist, and it's very sad, but sometimes I think comments like that are what perpetuates it.

How so?

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labellavoce83 June 5 2008, 14:10:34 UTC
Wow, totally agree with you on the affirmative action thing. I've always been against affirmative action/equal opportunity. Someone should be hired instead of me if they have more talent/potential than me, not because their skin color is different and the company needs to fill a quota ( ... )

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image_cut_outs June 6 2008, 11:30:45 UTC
Uhmmm quotas are illegal; Affirmative Action isn't about that. AA doesn't mean that people are hired just because they are a racial minority. AA involves gender also. The point is to have fewer talented people left out in education and workplaces because of their color or gender, as the opposite effort has been the case since America's inception. If America was a perfect system in need of no adjustments, then AA would be bad. It isn't perfect, so adjustments should be made. btw AA helps white women more than any other group, and you're a white woman. Turns out, you're not being screwed as badly as you believe ( ... )

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vawawwee June 4 2008, 23:48:26 UTC
the racism card is played so often, but i think sexism is so downplayed... i work in a "man's" world, and i don't see the sexist attitudes that much but i see them much more often than i see racist ones, guys at work talking about girls panty lines, not wanting me to go to meetings because there's too much cursing, etc.

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dzuunmod June 4 2008, 23:52:08 UTC
I'm not saying I disagree with you (because the point of this post is basically that I don't), but you're probably also way more sensitive to sexism than racism because you're a girl, and... well... white!

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vawawwee June 5 2008, 01:09:22 UTC
yeah i guess the fact is that i don't realize what racism is because i'm white? i'm not sure if i'm being sarcastic or not, but i don't doubt racism happens I think it gets more attention than sexism because it's "fun" to make fun of the opposite sex and who's going to step in the way of that, sometimes we perpetuate our own stereotypes anyway. Ok i'm rambling.

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sourdick June 5 2008, 02:39:39 UTC
I am a white male! Woohoo!

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