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Meta on Castiel in SPN 6x21-6x22: "You fight and you fight for this family"

May 22, 2011 12:25

This is an add-on (an expansion pack, hee!) for my main meta post on the SPN season finale.

( some SPN quotes from prior seasons and brief comments behind the cut )

holy tax accountant, meta: supernatural

Comments 33

tabby333 May 22 2011, 20:12:42 UTC

great quotes. Dean and Cas are so intertwined it hurts. I want to believe that Dean was being emotionally honest with Cas at the end and not just giving lip service to get Cas to do what he wants. If he is being honest, he will want to save Cas. If he is giving lip service, he'll let Cas go.

dotfic May 26 2011, 03:20:47 UTC

Yes, this.

The beginning of Dean's speech seemed to me to be purely talking him down, when he said thank you and you're right...but then it changes and when he talks about not losing Castiel too, that was real (and fits with what I've seen in how Dean reacts to Castiel since, oh, season 5 -- a tenuousness, because he's not sure Cas will stay, can stay, wants to stay, or if he'll survive, and all of Dean's friends -- all of them, except Bobby -- die).

etharei May 23 2011, 04:02:41 UTC

I'm still mostly WTFing about the finale, but I do love Dean's speech to Cas, and Dean saying that he'd die for him. Thank you so much for compiling this, am clinging to the hope that they'll give him an epic redemption storyline (omg maybe a reverse of Cas' brilliant line "I gripped you tight and raised you from perdition").

dotfic May 26 2011, 03:24:27 UTC

Yep. I think the start of Dean's speech was very much don't make any sudden movements, talk Castiel down...he was still trying to talk Cas down in the rest of it, in all of it, but when he said he'd die for him, when he talked about being afraid to lose Castiel too, Jensen's performance was playing it as truth, not appeasement. I'm not seeing how Dean wasn't being honest. He was being honest and finally saying those things because he's scared of losing Castiel and hopes those words will persuade him to stand down.

anonymous May 23 2011, 07:45:00 UTC

I always appreciate reading your episode reactions and I want to hope that you're right but it's hard for me to see it as a possession (which I want to) because 'Castiel' does what Castiel intended to do -he stops Raphael- and 'Castiel' doesn't want to kill the Winchesters as obviously Castiel wouldn't want to. This being so I find it hard to say that it's just not Castiel, that he is possessed. But 'Castiel' does as Castiel would never do -he claims to be God- which for me goes completely contrary to his characterization. One of the things I loved about 6x20 was that given the chance when he first returns to Heaven he doesn't want to become the new absolute leader. It's a cliche that power corrupts but what I find interesting is that sometimes it doesn't because what it offers is for some people not what they are pursuing or what they want. For me Castiel is such a person, I thought 6x20 bore it out but now I'm scared about what the show may do to the character I love.

dotfic May 26 2011, 03:30:09 UTC

It's akin to possession and yet not exactly like possession. I agree, it's Castiel -- only he's gone off the rails, even before he absorbs all the souls, and then once he does absorb the souls, it screws up his head so badly he starts saying and doing things that don't sound like Castiel, but I think it's still just Castiel, only with a million monsters souls stuffed up inside of him.

Yes! Castiel didn't want to be a leader. He took that on reluctantly and that's actually why I see a lot of room for redemption. Castiel didn't do this because he craves power. I don't think he absorbed the souls thinking, ah, I know what I'll do, I'll become a GOD MWAHAHA. He knew opening the portal and absorbing the souls was dangerous and would have consequences, he did it anyway. This was the result.

sheron May 23 2011, 07:51:25 UTC

dotfic May 26 2011, 03:31:03 UTC

So many shout-backs! It makes me happy. Well, in that angsty, miserable way the show has, but in the good way!

tazical May 23 2011, 12:07:23 UTC

They are kind of beating us over the head with the family stick, aren't they? (that's probaby why this happened. /o\)

Hurrah for people with Cas optimism! I may have to friend you, madam.

dotfic May 26 2011, 03:33:40 UTC

Hee! That's one way it could go.

They are, with a stick, and a brass band. In case we missed it, a neon sign.

I so get why people are worried -- I stopped trusting the show a while back, but I'm going with my predictions because a) the alternative is so depressing I don't even want to think about it and b) if they aren't heading towards redemption/saving, that's a pretty big bucket of WTF after 3 years of character development where Castiel earned a place in that family through trial by fire.