No. Just no. RTD was obsessed with the Rose and the Doctor's relationship and trying to make it out as if it was different from any other companion. Which I never bought. Regeneration is when the Doctor would have died but regenerates instead. The Doctor of all people dying out of grief just makes no sense in terms of his character.
Then again, I didn't like the season (plus)- long grief of Ten either.
If you see the Doctor's regenerations as healing the thing that killed him, it might actually have led to a more stable Doctor. Idk. But it'd have healed him of Rose Angst in one go, I suppose.
Much as I dislike the Dying For Love notion I do admit to interest in the fanonical notion that Five is "vulnerable" because Four died heartsbroken over Romana and he wanted to keep himself safe from further pain by being a man people would treat a bit more tenderly.
Do you think Ten's regeneration into Eleven completely healed him emotionally? Eleven still seems pretty broken to me
I think it helped a fair bit, he seems more self-aware about the sorts of issues Ten had, and if nothing else he picked up Amy after a year (or more?) of avoiding all emotional investment post-Donna.
He hasn't forgotten her or any of his companions - "guilt, more guilt, even more guilt.")
I like Eleven's mentions of his old companions, they feel natural. And re: self-awareness I can't quite see Ten admitting to guilt over Rose. Martha probably, Donna for sure, though.
Oh joy, what a happy thought for this Tuesday morning! :p
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I'm of the school of thought that each Doctor is to an extent a reaction to the previous one (like Six? Is totally who he'd be after being Five and having nobody ever listen to him and then letting himself die to save Peri).
Nine is my favorite Doctor, but if this would have happened I probably would have liked him, Rose, and Nu Who a lot less. So glad that didn't happen. It's definitely ooc for Nine.
Well, it is an interesting idea and depends on how it would be written. If it was a regeneration brought on solely by grief, it would have established new canon as it's always been physical damage that's caused regeneration. Personally, I like Rose's story and development and can appreciate the romantic aspects of the idea but the Classic Who girl in me says no to his regenerating over grief. If he was going to regenerate over grief or guilt, it would have been Adric and would have happened already over other things that happened to him. Now to be fair, we don't know what caused his regeneration from 8 to 9. Could that have been grief/guilt over the loss of Gallifrey? Maybe and if so, then this would not be as far reaching a concept
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Apparently the original plan for Seven was that he'd have regenerated out of madness rather than physical illness. So I suppose it's not unprecedented.
But I think it would have backfired horribly had they made the Doctor regenerated over a companion who - let's recall - is still alive and well. If losing his children didn't kill him I can't see any love interest managing to do it.
I had not heard that about Seven. Huh. I just have a hard time with the concept of regeneration as an emotional response. Although, it is possible for a Time Lord to channel regeneration energy (ie: Eleven did for River in The Angels Take Manhatten or Ten in Rise of the Cybermen when he blew on the Tardis crystal. I think someone told me he did something with regeneration energy in a CW ep but don't remember which one. So, I know he can control it somewhat.
Still, I don't think I can wrap my mind around him purposefully doing that. Self sacrifice or accident or just being oblivious and walking in front of a bus yes, but an emotional spontaneous regeneration? I don't know.
Nine is one of the last characters I can imagine actually killing himself (which seems to be what is being discussed here- regeneration at will is essentially suicide). He's just not that kind of a person, he's had worse things happen to him than losing a friend (say, killing his entire species in order to save the universe), and he's actually one of the more emotionally stable of the Doctors. I actually think he would have done a much better job bouncing back from Doomsday than Ten did. Ten is a much more emotional, and therefore emotionally fragile, person than Nine.
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So, yeah. With Nine, no way would that have happened. As it was? I bet the Doctor considered it. Turn Left shows that just allowing himself to die was in his head at that point, and he always seemed pretty clear that different regenerations were different people. I'm sure it crossed his mind at least a few times during early series three, given the rest of his behavior at that point.
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Then again, I didn't like the season (plus)- long grief of Ten either.
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Much as I dislike the Dying For Love notion I do admit to interest in the fanonical notion that Five is "vulnerable" because Four died heartsbroken over Romana and he wanted to keep himself safe from further pain by being a man people would treat a bit more tenderly.
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I think it helped a fair bit, he seems more self-aware about the sorts of issues Ten had, and if nothing else he picked up Amy after a year (or more?) of avoiding all emotional investment post-Donna.
He hasn't forgotten her or any of his companions - "guilt, more guilt, even more guilt.")
I like Eleven's mentions of his old companions, they feel natural. And re: self-awareness I can't quite see Ten admitting to guilt over Rose. Martha probably, Donna for sure, though.
Oh joy, what a happy thought for this Tuesday morning! :p
XD
I'm of the school of thought that each Doctor is to an extent a reaction to the previous one (like Six? Is totally who he'd be after being Five and having nobody ever listen to him and then letting himself die to save Peri).
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So glad that didn't happen. It's definitely ooc for Nine.
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But I think it would have backfired horribly had they made the Doctor regenerated over a companion who - let's recall - is still alive and well. If losing his children didn't kill him I can't see any love interest managing to do it.
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Still, I don't think I can wrap my mind around him purposefully doing that. Self sacrifice or accident or just being oblivious and walking in front of a bus yes, but an emotional spontaneous regeneration? I don't know.
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THIS.
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Nine is one of the last characters I can imagine actually killing himself (which seems to be what is being discussed here- regeneration at will is essentially suicide). He's just not that kind of a person, he's had worse things happen to him than losing a friend (say, killing his entire species in order to save the universe), and he's actually one of the more emotionally stable of the Doctors. I actually think he would have done a much better job bouncing back from Doomsday than Ten did. Ten is a much more emotional, and therefore emotionally fragile, person than Nine.
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So, yeah. With Nine, no way would that have happened. As it was? I bet the Doctor considered it. Turn Left shows that just allowing himself to die was in his head at that point, and he always seemed pretty clear that different regenerations were different people. I'm sure it crossed his mind at least a few times during early series three, given the rest of his behavior at that point.
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