Let's see if my internet will stay up long enough this time for me to finish this comment. *eyes it*
I was surprised (unfortunately) after all the talk about trusting and so on, that he lied to Sam, and I can't help but wonder if it'll come back to bite them in the ass. Sam's not allowed to tell a white lie and say he feels okay... but Dean feels justified in lying to Sam about letting Amy go?
I can't decide if I was surprised, or not, that Dean let the boy go. Part of me cynically wonders if the only reason he didn't was because network execs didn't want to "go there" -- with Dean killing a child, onscreen. But it still could have been implied.
I just really want them to both trust each other, no more lies or omissions, or anything else. Let them have each other's back, no doubts.
Still, it's only the 3rd ep. Maybe things will even out soon? *crosses fingers and toes*
*big hugs!* There never has to be a reason for hugs! :)
Yeah, see, I didn't even get into the mutual lying, because of how Dean's lying was tied up in nonsensical plot things, but - exactly. It's the same old pattern. It's like they're genetically incapable of growing as people. Which they aren't, in point of fact; they've shown growth and the ability to learn in previous seasons, so it all boils down to bad writing, show-wise, which is what makes it so irritating to me.
You could be right, about the show/network not going there. But you know, there are other ways. Show could have shown him tracking the kid back to his monster family. Whatever works to make the point. Why are they so lacking in creativity??? Ugh.
I'm not ready for another season of that whole keeping secrets and betraying and not trusting and lying thing, either. Do not want.
This is pretty much the reason I'm this close to just stop watching the show. For years now it's been going around in circles. Nothing ever really changes. The have a season of lying and not trusting each other and everything getting shot to hell because of it...and instead of them learning anything it all begins again the next season. Why does none of them ever learn their lesson and decide to do it differently this time? It makes me really tired. Which is sad, because I've loved this show so much in the past.
Right? As tired as we are of seeing, aren't the writers tired of writing the same stuff over and over? Wouldn't it be interesting for them to write some growth into Dean's character especially?
I think, if the show had kept the brothers together and not induced several seasons now of forced conflict (forced because it has ceased to make sense that they'd still be lying to each other, unless they're just rotten people at their core), I wouldn't mind the circular stuff so much. But it really is as you say - it's all character related, and it's all for the sake of angst and drama, and it's not working for me anymore overall.
And then, of course, there was the ending yes, exactly - I really enjoyed the episode right up until then. I was unspoiled for Colin Ford so was thrilled to see wee!Sam again. And then Dean has to go turn all 'every monster must be killed, there is no grey'. What? I still can't wrap my head around it. And I actually did expect him to kill the kid monster - that would have made more sense since he just killed the mother. The ending makes no sense to me and is really disappointing. To me you can't have it both ways - Dean either has to kill both monsters or no monsters. So now when I re-watch it for the awesomeness of Sam, wee!Sam and Amy, (and Jensen's great directing) I will stop right after Dean says he will trust Sam. "la,la,la this is the ending for me, la,la,la"
Colin Ford was lovely, wasn't he? :D That kid is a good actor, and he does a great Jared impression. *g* And yes. Dean either needs to be a stone cold monster killer (which I'm totally down with), or not, but my god, why do they have to make him dumb for the sake of a plot point? And why does Sam have to revert to lying and sneaking??
Yeah, the ending didn't work for me. I didn't think it was in character for Dean at this point for a whole lot of reasons. It really soured the entire episode for me.
I loved young Sam and young Amy; adult Amy seemed too wishy washy, perhaps. I would have preferred to see her go out fighting.
But all in all, I was disappointed about the lying, the trust issues, the sense of here-we-go-again. I don't believe Dean would go kill her - it seemed entirely plot driven.
I also have issues with Bobby taking the destruction of his house too casually, and Sam's mental health issues told but not shown - no hallucinations, no voices, no sleep problems. When the wall came down he's supposed to be a mess. Instead he looks stressed out, hardly a "freak."
I was actually hoping the whole ep would be about being trapped in the hospital and trying to escape the Leviathans.
Also, when Sam mentioned "Leviathan" in the cabin it seemed like he was unfamiliar with the term - what have they been doing for weeks up there?
And didn't the paramedics say Dean had an open fracture? You don't set an open fracture in the emergency room. And you don't get out of the cast perfectly fine three weeks (wasn't it 3 weeks?)
Since the break was a open/compound fracture, that means there was bone penetrating through the skin (or at least bone somehow open to air and bacteria), which should have meant a) more blood b)you don't just "set" the bone, as depicted in Show, you have full on surgery for the break due to the high risk of infection and secondary injury, c)a compound fracture would probably take way longer then 3 weeks to heal....try more like upwards of 11, you would definitely not be able to walk normally on it after only three weeks d) I hope Dean managed to swipe some antibiotics on the way out of Chomp!Hospital or at least at the next conveniently placed drugstore e) an "open fracture" and a "compound fracture" are the same thing so....calling it an "open compound fracture" is really redundant Show.....
Basically....Show should at least read a medical dictionary -_-'
Yeah - the fact that Amy was sort of just...there, in her grown-up incarnation, really was a waste of a great guest star. They could have done more with her; we didn't know enough about her to be sympathetic toward her, really.
Your other issues - Bobby and his house, Sam's mental health, Dean's leg - all those things bugged me, too. Did you happen to see this review? As I told dotfic, I had to check my license to make sure I wasn't Mo Ryan, because it's like she's reading my mind. *g*
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I was surprised (unfortunately) after all the talk about trusting and so on, that he lied to Sam, and I can't help but wonder if it'll come back to bite them in the ass. Sam's not allowed to tell a white lie and say he feels okay... but Dean feels justified in lying to Sam about letting Amy go?
I can't decide if I was surprised, or not, that Dean let the boy go. Part of me cynically wonders if the only reason he didn't was because network execs didn't want to "go there" -- with Dean killing a child, onscreen. But it still could have been implied.
I just really want them to both trust each other, no more lies or omissions, or anything else. Let them have each other's back, no doubts.
Still, it's only the 3rd ep. Maybe things will even out soon? *crosses fingers and toes*
*hugs you just 'cos*
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Yeah, see, I didn't even get into the mutual lying, because of how Dean's lying was tied up in nonsensical plot things, but - exactly. It's the same old pattern. It's like they're genetically incapable of growing as people. Which they aren't, in point of fact; they've shown growth and the ability to learn in previous seasons, so it all boils down to bad writing, show-wise, which is what makes it so irritating to me.
You could be right, about the show/network not going there. But you know, there are other ways. Show could have shown him tracking the kid back to his monster family. Whatever works to make the point. Why are they so lacking in creativity??? Ugh.
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This is pretty much the reason I'm this close to just stop watching the show. For years now it's been going around in circles. Nothing ever really changes. The have a season of lying and not trusting each other and everything getting shot to hell because of it...and instead of them learning anything it all begins again the next season. Why does none of them ever learn their lesson and decide to do it differently this time?
It makes me really tired. Which is sad, because I've loved this show so much in the past.
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yes, exactly - I really enjoyed the episode right up until then. I was unspoiled for Colin Ford so was thrilled to see wee!Sam again. And then Dean has to go turn all 'every monster must be killed, there is no grey'. What? I still can't wrap my head around it. And I actually did expect him to kill the kid monster - that would have made more sense since he just killed the mother. The ending makes no sense to me and is really disappointing. To me you can't have it both ways - Dean either has to kill both monsters or no monsters. So now when I re-watch it for the awesomeness of Sam, wee!Sam and Amy, (and Jensen's great directing) I will stop right after Dean says he will trust Sam. "la,la,la this is the ending for me, la,la,la"
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But all in all, I was disappointed about the lying, the trust issues, the sense of here-we-go-again. I don't believe Dean would go kill her - it seemed entirely plot driven.
I also have issues with Bobby taking the destruction of his house too casually, and Sam's mental health issues told but not shown - no hallucinations, no voices, no sleep problems. When the wall came down he's supposed to be a mess. Instead he looks stressed out, hardly a "freak."
I was actually hoping the whole ep would be about being trapped in the hospital and trying to escape the Leviathans.
Also, when Sam mentioned "Leviathan" in the cabin it seemed like he was unfamiliar with the term - what have they been doing for weeks up there?
And didn't the paramedics say Dean had an open fracture? You don't set an open fracture in the emergency room. And you don't get out of the cast perfectly fine three weeks (wasn't it 3 weeks?)
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Basically....Show should at least read a medical dictionary -_-'
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Your other issues - Bobby and his house, Sam's mental health, Dean's leg - all those things bugged me, too. Did you happen to see this review? As I told dotfic, I had to check my license to make sure I wasn't Mo Ryan, because it's like she's reading my mind. *g*
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