Yep, it does. And they even explained why! In that shuttle ride, where Kirk and McCoy first meet, when McCoy talks about his divorce, he says and she got the whole planet. That was a bitter pill to swallow! Mystery solved. *snerk*
His problem with authority (which shows how the early death of his father changed his life and who he is) aside, you do not make a cadet captain. You make him an ensign, then a lieutenant, then a lieutenant-commander, then a commander, then a captain. And by then he'll be mature and responsible. Now, if the ships that were destroyed at Vulcan had been the main fleet and not a handful of cadet!ships, then they could promote people by skipping ranks, arguing that they just don't have enough officers left since they all got killed. *sigh* They did just skip three years of academy (thus robbing us of watching Kirk and McCoy grow the close friends they are). Why didn't they just do that again, fastforward to graduation, and then add a little for services rendered, blah blah blah, special circumstances speech?
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Is there any reason he can't be called Bones? XD idgi...
Yes. That's what bugged me; the total lack of reference to a proper chain of command after the event. I do hope there was some additional explanatory stuff written that never got into the final cut of the film.
Because, while today the occasional name escapes undubbed, back when TOS first came here English words on German tv were so unacceptable it's a miracle they didn't translate Enterprise. And Knochen (bones) just doesn't sound as good as Pille.
I know! *resumes her No sense!-flailing* I mean, it was bad enough omn the Enterprise, where they didn't seem to have any officers at all, which is clear from the fact that they had to put a 17-year-old boy on the bridge, a suspended cadet got promoted to acting first officer, and te position of chef of engineering was just waiting for Scotty to stumble into it. But well, those were special circumstances, and maybe all of the normal crew suffered from whatever Sulu said the pilot had, so there were no officers but Pike and Spock, who ate at the academy instead of in the mess. Later, though? No reason. No, no reason. There's about ten thousand Star Fleet members just waiting to sue the PTB for pretermission (I'm sure that's not the right word, but natch), and they are right to do so. *glares at
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Oooooh, yeah. So totally implausible and *stupid* and wow, that opening scene with wee!Kirk destroying this beautiful car for *no fucking reason* that anyone can see?
Right there that made me dislike the little snot.
And then, yeah, we get a cadet who was accused of cheating and sneaks onto the ship promoted ahead of *everyone* to Captain - please! Spock was right to dump him on an ice-planet - i wouldn't have wanted him aboard, either.
I was profoundly disappointed in that movie, just...yuck. NOT my Star Trek.
Hee. *remembers synchronised turning-to-neighbour and whispered I don't like him! at that point*
Also, talking about the wees, has anyone explained to the wee!Vulcans that mobbing and bullying are not logical?
Although it would have made more sense for Spock to just lock him in a cell aboard the Enterprise. ...But then again, things do not make sense in this 'verse, so that's a stupid idea.
Not my Star Trek? We'll see. As I said, aside from the fact that they are not who they are supposed to be, I quite like some of the boys. If I manage to detach myself from what was and see it as a completely independent, different spin-off instead of a failed attempt of a prequel, it might grow to be my Star Trek, or an aspect thereof. But unless they do a lot of changes in future movies it'll never be Star Fleet.
I thought the 'bully' scene was amazingly stupid. Blech.
I just...didn't like *anybody*. The guy playing Spock did a good job, but i really don't like the actor. Everybody else was just....eh. I guess it was all colored by my love of the original show, and how much this was *not* that, and just.....blah.
As a sci-fi movie it was okay. But as a Star Trek movie it just...sucked. Heh.
This may be an odd view to take, but Leonard Nimmoy showing up sort of... made it for me. He seemed the most real thing in the entire movie.
And I did like Scotty and Quinto!Spock as well - Quinto very much. And Chekov I wanted to take home and keep as a pet.*g*
I was incredibly disappointed with the Romulans, though - that was nothing like the established pattern for Romulan culture, and destroying Vulcan in that fashion... That made me angry with the script writers no end.
Yes, his scenes were the only ones with that flair we'd expected from something set in the ST 'verse.
I did like both Chekov and Sulu, too. But neither of them seemed to have much of a character. Chekov was Russian, the comic relief, and young enough to spend a lot of time playing computer games, which is why he managed to lock onto their positions with the transporter. And Sulu was not that young but clearly inexperienced, very self-confident, and a fencer. That's it.
Nero, his ship, and his crew all fall 100% under No sense! Clearly they collectively went mad, forgot all about Romuan culture, and also remodeled their ship from Romulan style to Stargate-Atlantis-y.
I definitely qould have liked to have seen more made of Sulu and Chekov - Sulu was one of my favourite characters in TOS. And I don't really get his customised weaponry either, as that would have been against Starfleet regulations.
I'll stop picking holes now. Other than that, I enjoyed it.
...And shaved their heads and got matching tattoos. Urgh.
Me too. He talked to his plants and fences. :) But his weapon does make sense, after all, from what we've seen of this 'verse's Star Fleet, they don't really do regulations.
..You know, some of the Stargate Atlantis baddies have tattoos, too.
I think, to someone not familiar with the old 'verse, it would not be too noticeable, since the way the movie is made and the characters are portrayed is very modern. Hotshot rebels going against the rules are cool, we want heroes that are antiheroes, going against the stream, full of energy, new, innovative and breaking up old, dusty structures. Which I'm all in favour of. Problem is, our young we'll do what we think is right and go against the rules for that heroes are still set in what's supposed to be a military background. And there rules are everything, and change may only come in reforms from above, not from a bunch of green kids who think they don't have to listen to anyone.
Star Fleet is the Federation's armed force, to protect law and order, but in this movie it seems to promote anarchy. My inner punkrocker approves, my inner fangirl does not.
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Yeah, I can see what they're trying to do with AU!Kirk, but the problem is that it stretches credibility to make him captain, in that scenario.
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His problem with authority (which shows how the early death of his father changed his life and who he is) aside, you do not make a cadet captain. You make him an ensign, then a lieutenant, then a lieutenant-commander, then a commander, then a captain. And by then he'll be mature and responsible. Now, if the ships that were destroyed at Vulcan had been the main fleet and not a handful of cadet!ships, then they could promote people by skipping ranks, arguing that they just don't have enough officers left since they all got killed. *sigh* They did just skip three years of academy (thus robbing us of watching Kirk and McCoy grow the close friends they are). Why didn't they just do that again, fastforward to graduation, and then add a little for services rendered, blah blah blah, special circumstances speech? ( ... )
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Yes. That's what bugged me; the total lack of reference to a proper chain of command after the event. I do hope there was some additional explanatory stuff written that never got into the final cut of the film.
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I know! *resumes her No sense!-flailing* I mean, it was bad enough omn the Enterprise, where they didn't seem to have any officers at all, which is clear from the fact that they had to put a 17-year-old boy on the bridge, a suspended cadet got promoted to acting first officer, and te position of chef of engineering was just waiting for Scotty to stumble into it. But well, those were special circumstances, and maybe all of the normal crew suffered from whatever Sulu said the pilot had, so there were no officers but Pike and Spock, who ate at the academy instead of in the mess. Later, though? No reason. No, no reason. There's about ten thousand Star Fleet members just waiting to sue the PTB for pretermission (I'm sure that's not the right word, but natch), and they are right to do so. *glares at ( ... )
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Right there that made me dislike the little snot.
And then, yeah, we get a cadet who was accused of cheating and sneaks onto the ship promoted ahead of *everyone* to Captain - please! Spock was right to dump him on an ice-planet - i wouldn't have wanted him aboard, either.
I was profoundly disappointed in that movie, just...yuck. NOT my Star Trek.
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Also, talking about the wees, has anyone explained to the wee!Vulcans that mobbing and bullying are not logical?
Although it would have made more sense for Spock to just lock him in a cell aboard the Enterprise. ...But then again, things do not make sense in this 'verse, so that's a stupid idea.
Not my Star Trek? We'll see. As I said, aside from the fact that they are not who they are supposed to be, I quite like some of the boys. If I manage to detach myself from what was and see it as a completely independent, different spin-off instead of a failed attempt of a prequel, it might grow to be my Star Trek, or an aspect thereof. But unless they do a lot of changes in future movies it'll never be Star Fleet.
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Yes. Do not like at all!!
I thought the 'bully' scene was amazingly stupid. Blech.
I just...didn't like *anybody*. The guy playing Spock did a good job, but i really don't like the actor. Everybody else was just....eh. I guess it was all colored by my love of the original show, and how much this was *not* that, and just.....blah.
As a sci-fi movie it was okay. But as a Star Trek movie it just...sucked. Heh.
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And I did like Scotty and Quinto!Spock as well - Quinto very much. And Chekov I wanted to take home and keep as a pet.*g*
I was incredibly disappointed with the Romulans, though - that was nothing like the established pattern for Romulan culture, and destroying Vulcan in that fashion... That made me angry with the script writers no end.
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I did like both Chekov and Sulu, too. But neither of them seemed to have much of a character. Chekov was Russian, the comic relief, and young enough to spend a lot of time playing computer games, which is why he managed to lock onto their positions with the transporter. And Sulu was not that young but clearly inexperienced, very self-confident, and a fencer. That's it.
Nero, his ship, and his crew all fall 100% under No sense! Clearly they collectively went mad, forgot all about Romuan culture, and also remodeled their ship from Romulan style to Stargate-Atlantis-y.
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I'll stop picking holes now. Other than that, I enjoyed it.
...And shaved their heads and got matching tattoos. Urgh.
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..You know, some of the Stargate Atlantis baddies have tattoos, too.
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Star Fleet is the Federation's armed force, to protect law and order, but in this movie it seems to promote anarchy. My inner punkrocker approves, my inner fangirl does not.
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I LOVE ALL KIRKS. *_*
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*comes in to state the obvious*
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MOVE TO BELGIUM!
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