AMC--Chapter Forty-Nine

Apr 07, 2006 08:30

This week's chapter continues from the PoV of Maitimo. Last week, when we left, Maitimo sought news of Annawende and was going to first visit Vorondil to see if he had word, then use the seeing-stone. This week's chapter picks up in Vorondil's cabin and details the outcome of this excursion ( Read more... )

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rhapsody11 April 7 2006, 13:40:30 UTC
But I know that some of you pervs will take it the wrong way.

*batters her eyelashes innocently*

I am behind on reading... *sigh*

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dawn_felagund April 7 2006, 15:34:58 UTC
That's okay. :) It's not going anywhere and I certainly know the feeling of being behind on a lot of things right now. :)

Best wishes and *hugs* to you!

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Review \o/ (part 1) rhapsody11 April 16 2006, 17:56:47 UTC
And this chapter has Tyelkormo!!!! *bounces around*

Now wait, when did this happen? Now listen Maglor, even you have to admit that your bouncy brother was incredibly likeable when he was an elfling... hmmm? Yes I will make up for this, royally Okay back to the review.

Are there some things that we should not know? Because anything is possible-does that mean that everything should be attempted?What I like about Maitimo, who in my eyes, has matured to become his father's equal. His reasoning of ethics, of what one should know or not, the design of lives and the universe... he knows life isn't perfect, to me it feels like if he questions perfectionism of which his father strives for ( ... )

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Re: Review \o/ (part 1) dawn_felagund April 24 2006, 14:25:51 UTC
Catching up! :^D

What I like about Maitimo, who in my eyes, has matured to become his father's equal. His reasoning of ethics, of what one should know or not, the design of lives and the universe... he knows life isn't perfect, to me it feels like if he questions perfectionism of which his father strives for...

The passage in the Sil about how Feanor would have achieved things that only Manwe could have done--not even Aule--has always intrigued me. So it seems he's thinking about these things now...and Nelyo is wondering if he should. It seems dangerous work, to mess around in the realm of the gods, especially when (as I think Nelyo recognizes where Feanor does not) that they will never count him as an equal, no matter what wonders he achieves.

Btw, did you intend the naughtiness to be in this part?

Hell yes! >:^D There's a bit of a double entendre in there that is not wholly unintentional.... ;^D

This is something I firmly believe in. I know most often writers write Maglor like he is the odd one out, but he would never have come ( ... )

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frenchpony April 7 2006, 13:46:47 UTC
Ah. I see that Maitimo is still wallowing in his own self-pity. And that he's got the Noldor vanity. Frankly, I'm not surprised that Annawende would leave him, if his concern about how they might look as a couple has been obvious to her ( ... )

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dawn_felagund April 7 2006, 16:01:03 UTC
Frankly, I'm not surprised that Annawende would leave him, if his concern about how they might look as a couple has been obvious to her.

I don't think it's concern, per se, more so than a simple observation. She's not necessarily a graceful, beautiful woman. He is (canonically) very attractive, so much so that he was named for it; the lack of fit between them in appearance is bound to be noticed. Surely, she's noticed it too. Rereading the paragraph where he talks about this, I don't see how he's regretful of her appearance at all, rather that he loves her despite the fact that they are not equals in this regard...so he knows it's not the infatuation and lust to which he is prone. (This is Maitimo's line of thinking, not necessarily mine.)

It seems as though none of the female characters has anything, be it beauty, talent, strength, or social skills, that the men do not think is inferior, that they cannot improve upon.Beyond Nerdanel--who I'll get to in a second--and Annawende (in terms of appearance), I'm not sure that I see this. ( ... )

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frenchpony April 7 2006, 16:32:27 UTC
It's not so much one thing that anyone's said as the general attitude that the male characters take towards the female characters. The attitude tends to be one of pity and contempt. Not to say that they don't love the women -- they certainly do, and they speak a great deal about how they want to treat women as equals, but only Macalaure really does ( ... )

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dawn_felagund April 8 2006, 22:22:33 UTC
Even the fact that the Noldor in general (not just Our Heroes) would worry about whether a couple are equally attractive speaks to me of a general shallowness and a certain misogyny.

Certainly. Perhaps Tolkien was guilty of being too human on that one. ;)

The Noldorin culture--perhaps even Elven culture in general--does seem to place a high value on beauty. The Noldor, especially, seem to center their lives around it, and those characters that are exceptionally attractive (Feanor, Luthien, Maedhros et al) always seem to get special mention. I've always seen their preoccupation with physical beauty as sort of a natural extension of their preoccupation with all beauty in the world around them, whether it be architecture, music, gemstones, alphabet characters...those characters who make beautiful things (or are themselves beautiful) always get special attention.

But it is misogynistic, especially in cases like the two you've presented here, where the implication is that both Feanor and Maitimo somehow "deserve" conventionally ( ... )

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digdigil April 7 2006, 14:41:11 UTC
Okay, I am just going to read this! But you are an evol wench! Leaving us waiting another week to find out who the 'mystery guest' is! Damn it, too, because I was working on a few other theories! Oh well, I can go and put my mind to better things now! BBL with 'good' comment!

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ann_arien April 7 2006, 15:05:56 UTC
Well, after reading what the kids said, my theory is that I am behind that closed door, which would explain the slightly insane Feanaro from the previous chapter.

*evol snicker*

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dawn_felagund April 7 2006, 16:02:38 UTC
Shall I add a fourth hypothesis to the list then? ;)

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ann_arien April 7 2006, 17:31:00 UTC
Lemme check with Feanor first.

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He says he'll risk the wrath of his wife when she finds out, and just say he's been trying to find another apprentice to replace Annawende. (Watta crappy lie, BTW!)

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ann_arien April 7 2006, 15:04:14 UTC
This chapter reminded me of how much I missed seeing the young ones play and interact with each other. Findekano was such a breath of fresh air, and he has such a soothing effect on Maitimo, even if it is supposed to be more the other way around.

I am impressed by the way you've described Maitimo's attempt to compose and maintain a studied face, meant to conceal his true feelings. I understand him, to some extent, because I do this too, sometimes, but I also have to agree with what frenchpony has said: that Maitimo may very well have lost himself while trying to meet everybody's needs and expectations.

I have images of other maidens, those before her: images like oil paintings stacked and wrapped in my head, for later enjoyment. How I used to delight in those moments when a woman’s beauty and mine would become almost an art! A coil of golden hair on my flat, taut stomach; her lips on the tender flesh, in the hollows of my hips. Her graceful hand-strong and agile from studying the harp and drawing-rising to wrap around my perfect shape: What ( ... )

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dawn_felagund April 7 2006, 16:14:38 UTC
First of all, thank you for all of your nice words, as always! :) And the looooong comment. *loves long comments*

I understand him, to some extent, because I do this too, sometimes, but I also have to agree with what frenchpony has said: that Maitimo may very well have lost himself while trying to meet everybody's needs and expectations.

That's what I was going for. He is a gifted leader...yet he has never led anyone but his silly little brothers. How can he? As I said in the reply to frenchpony, the whole family is stuck in the shadow of Feanaro at this point. Maitimo--knowing that his father is superior in craft and intellect, that he will never be exceled--then feels it right that he follows what Feanaro wants him to do. Hence taking the exams that mean so little to him at a really crappy point in his life when he should have just put them off for another year, until he'd healed more.

The next story in the sequence deals a lot more with this. (The story I wrote for frenchpony for Hanukkah--"Essecarme"--has some spoilers in it for the next story. ;^ ( ... )

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atanwende April 7 2006, 18:50:30 UTC
Evil Dawn. To simply make us wait another week. :-P

Nice chapter. Unfortunately I do not have the nerve now to leave a detailed review - which is funny, since I'd have the time, but somehow... well, I'll leave it short this time. :)

I like Carnistir in this one:

“No, no, no,” says Carnistir, leaning over to bite Tyelkormo on the shoulder.

Awww!

And Annawende is not going to come, is she?

Eh yes, I guess it wouldn't have made much of a difference if I hadn't left no review at all, would it? :)

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dawn_felagund April 8 2006, 22:24:52 UTC
I appreciate any sort of review or comment that you want to leave. :) I know that I sometimes want to simply read a story and move on...but with friends, especially, I want to let them know that I enjoyed their work. It means a lot to me to know this! :)

I like Carnistir in this one:

Hehe...just think that the hottie in your icon was once that bratty little kid. ;)

And Annawende is not going to come, is she?

*mum*

You'll know in two chapters. ;)

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atanwende April 9 2006, 14:41:34 UTC
I appreciate any sort of review or comment that you want to leave. :)

That's good. Because sometimes there are days when my braincells are simply not quite in working order to say more that "nice chapter". :-D

Hehe...just think that the hottie in your icon was once that bratty little kid. ;)

Amazing, isn't it? ;) (But Haleth tells me that he obviously still like to bite from time to time, hehe).

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