As a group, they are the most intolerant. Sure, the majority of the Muslim faith are peaceful people, but you gotta admit, the following facts are just too much to ignore
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Let me put this to you this way: Think about the Christian Fundamentalists, including GWB. Note: I use his initials because even WITHOUT that title, he is STILL a fundamentalist. (and if Bill Clinton were the same way, I'd also only use HIS initials. As it is, he's a Southern Baptist, which is an entirely different breed of dog
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As for George Bush...I've yet to see him do anything that would label him as an 'extremist' or 'terrorist'. He's made some dumb decisions, but the whole "ZOMG HE'S PURE EVIL' is a twisted view that the liberal media keeps trying to reinforce to the sheeple out there.Oh, you mean like GWB, MSN and Fox News keep reinforcing the fact that Saddam Hussein was "OMG EVIL", leaving out the fact that we sold the WMD to the guy, and were playing Iran and Iraq against one another. Remember Iran Contra
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Um....yeah...NO!kitarraFebruary 3 2006, 11:42:40 UTC
Painting any peoples with the same brush just perpetuates the hate.
Saying that all Muslims are terrorists is like saying all blacks are criminals. Or all American's are muderers.
What you see is the TINY vocal minority. And looking at the vocal minority is like judging the American society wholly by looking at the news reports.
There are many nationalities of muslims including a HUGE contingent in India and Pakistan who have no terrorist ties what so ever.
The problem with stereotyping and profiling and pidgeonholing or what ever you want to call it is this.... it perpetuates the issues that cause terrorism and hate crimes in the first place.
All of this... is about hate and fear.
Why make an enemy when you can make a friend? Why look at someone as a terrorist when you can instead learn from them, understand their view point and quite possibly prevent tradgedy.
Re: Um....yeah...NO!darrelxFebruary 3 2006, 15:34:43 UTC
Saying that all Muslims are terrorists is like saying all blacks are criminals. Or all American's are muderers.
Who said all Muslims are terrorists? I just said that as a group they are "the most intolerant". I also said that "NO stereotype is accurate."
That said, the question I really want answered is whether or not Stereotyping in itself makes me a Bigot?
The problem with stereotyping and profiling and pidgeonholing or what ever you want to call it is this.... it perpetuates the issues that cause terrorism and hate crimes in the first place.
The problem with NOT stereotyping is that you remove the ONLY way we have to protect ourselves from strangers. When you see a dirty unshaven man carrying a torn sleeping bag in one hand and a paper bag with the neck of a bottle sticking out of it in the other hand, staggering down the street toward you, would you stop to ask him for directions to the theatre?
I did not ignore it, but I was objecting to the rest of what he said in his post.
As for the 9/11 thing... I remind you of this: 17 of the 19 hijackers were from *Saudi Arabia*, not Iraq. And up until the invasion, I don't think most Iraqis would have reason to hate the US.
The ones I do write off as nutbars are the ones who chant slogans of hatred. This is regardless of religion or ethnicity. I thusly write off Osama Bin Ladin and Pat Robertson in the same breath.
I did not say I thought he was a bigot either. I merely disagreed with his statement. Not the same thing.
Caitlin writes: As for the 9/11 thing... I remind you of this: 17 of the 19 hijackers were from *Saudi Arabia*, not Iraq. And up until the invasion, I don't think most Iraqis would have reason to hate the US.
In that case, would you support an invasion of Saudi Arabia?
As a group, they are the most intolerant. Sure, the majority of the Muslim faith are peaceful people, but you gotta admit, the following facts are just too much to ignore:
98 of the top 100 terrorist organizations in the world are made up of muslim extremists.
Define 'most intolerant'. In the wake of 9/11, I have found experience at a highly intolerant group of people. Unfortunately, I am also living among them. Yes, that's right. Americans. I do not agree with everything GWB is doing as President, but when I voice that disagreement, I frequently get shouted down, called un-American, unpatriotic, and 'siding with the terrorists'. GWB himself even said it. "If you are not with us, you are with the terrorists".
What of those of us who disagree with BOTH SIDES? What then?
One man's humanitarian organisation is another man's terrorist group. Hamas and Hezbollah do help their local communities. Sure, they also kill people and bomb them, but the same could be said of the Irish Republican Army.
I have met hundreds of people who practice the Muslim faith. Not one has ever questioned my belief system. I have met thousands of Christians (many of the Catholics) Of those thousands, dozens have not questioned my belief system. Given my experience, I'd have to say you haven't met enough Muslims.
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Saying that all Muslims are terrorists is like saying all blacks are criminals. Or all American's are muderers.
What you see is the TINY vocal minority. And looking at the vocal minority is like judging the American society wholly by looking at the news reports.
There are many nationalities of muslims including a HUGE contingent in India and Pakistan who have no terrorist ties what so ever.
The problem with stereotyping and profiling and pidgeonholing or what ever you want to call it is this.... it perpetuates the issues that cause terrorism and hate crimes in the first place.
All of this... is about hate and fear.
Why make an enemy when you can make a friend? Why look at someone as a terrorist when you can instead learn from them, understand their view point and quite possibly prevent tradgedy.
It is NEVER OK to just hate blindly.
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Who said all Muslims are terrorists? I just said that as a group they are "the most intolerant". I also said that "NO stereotype is accurate."
That said, the question I really want answered is whether or not Stereotyping in itself makes me a Bigot?
The problem with stereotyping and profiling and pidgeonholing or what ever you want to call it is this.... it perpetuates the issues that cause terrorism and hate crimes in the first place.
The problem with NOT stereotyping is that you remove the ONLY way we have to protect ourselves from strangers. When you see a dirty unshaven man carrying a torn sleeping bag in one hand and a paper bag with the neck of a bottle sticking out of it in the other hand, staggering down the street toward you, would you stop to ask him for directions to the theatre?
What's really wrong with Stereotyping?
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And that's just never a good thing.
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As for the 9/11 thing... I remind you of this: 17 of the 19 hijackers were from *Saudi Arabia*, not Iraq. And up until the invasion, I don't think most Iraqis would have reason to hate the US.
The ones I do write off as nutbars are the ones who chant slogans of hatred. This is regardless of religion or ethnicity. I thusly write off Osama Bin Ladin and Pat Robertson in the same breath.
I did not say I thought he was a bigot either. I merely disagreed with his statement. Not the same thing.
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As for the 9/11 thing... I remind you of this: 17 of the 19 hijackers were from *Saudi Arabia*, not Iraq. And up until the invasion, I don't think most Iraqis would have reason to hate the US.
In that case, would you support an invasion of Saudi Arabia?
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The prince came to visit...he held the guy's hand, and was VERY friendly with him.
Invasion is last resort.
And besides, to invade someone over political disagreements shows intolerance as well.
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98 of the top 100 terrorist organizations in the world are made up of muslim extremists.
Define 'most intolerant'. In the wake of 9/11, I have found experience at a highly intolerant group of people. Unfortunately, I am also living among them. Yes, that's right. Americans. I do not agree with everything GWB is doing as President, but when I voice that disagreement, I frequently get shouted down, called un-American, unpatriotic, and 'siding with the terrorists'. GWB himself even said it. "If you are not with us, you are with the terrorists".
What of those of us who disagree with BOTH SIDES? What then?
One man's humanitarian organisation is another man's terrorist group. Hamas and Hezbollah do help their local communities. Sure, they also kill people and bomb them, but the same could be said of the Irish Republican Army.
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