So, question...do you consider deleted scenes canon? Because they'd filmed the bit with the one kid "Johnny" being Sam and then realized they'd have no time to explain that Sam was Jim's brother...which has not much to do with the novel. Also, I'm fairly certain Alan Dean Foster wrote the novel using at least one (possibly more) drafts of the script and I have reasons for this belief beyond the fact that it's quite similar to the movie. So, yeah...most novels? So NOT canon at all. This one? A bit, at least, IMHO. But whatever, I get the whole novels=not canon. :o) The query remains about deleted scenes
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Okay, I might sound stupid but since when am I afraid of that, but there are deleted scenes? The DVD I bought didn't have 'em even through the commentary implied there would be some *grumblegrumble*.
Yeah, the Sam question was one that I had trouble with, because he was technically onscreen, though called by another name, and I believe the commentary mentioned that it was supposed to be Sam. I just went with, well, he wasn't Sam in the final cut, so...yeah.
As far as including deleted scenes, it gets a little tricky for me, since sometimes they directly contradict events in the film--I'm thinking particularly of the deleted scene from the first Rambo, where it shows that Trautman kills Rambo because he asked him to (though maybe that's more of an alternate ending?). I guess if a deleted scene didn't directly contradict something that we know from the final version of the film, I'd be more likely to consider it canon. Again, it'd help if I could see the scene (frickin' DVD *pouts
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I loved Uhura in TOS. She seemed like the life of the party (not unlike Kirk in XI). And your interpretation of the kiss is pretty close to the one I believe. I like to think that they were really good friends in the film and that that was her attempt to comfort him--"I'm sorry" just seems kind of not enough, so she went with a human show of affection, kissing and embracing, because that came closer to expressing how much she cares for him
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*chinhands* Oh how they're alike, how they're alike. And I love how you mention how they've able to understand each other, and it reminds me of one of the writer's explanation for why Spock marooned Kirk on Delta Vega, a seemingly out of character response. The person stated that Spock knew that Kirk would easily be able to break out of the brig, thus he had to maroon him. Despite hating him, Spock knows just how intelligent Kirk is and it sort of makes me lol because, wouldn't you know it, Kirk still finds a way back onto the ship." Spock just can't catch a break. Amazing that one day this will stop being a surprise to him like it's not a surprise to Spock Prime. Notice that Spock Prime doesn't react to Kirk being in that cave all, "How did you get here, what are the odds?" Nope, he asks, "how did you find me?" as if he knew that, logically, Kirk was already looking for him. Dude. t'hy'la
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The person stated that Spock knew that Kirk would easily be able to break out of the brig, thus he had to maroon him.
I do believe I've read this, too, and yeah, that was actually the explanation that pretty much made it all better for me. Because it's easy to see that Kirk would be coming around to how similar the two of them are, to an appreciation (however grudging) of Spock in general, since he's got access to the emotions and whatnot, but Spock's a tougher nut to crack. But of course, Spock would be all logical about it, and getting him off the ship would be the only way to make sure he'd be out of Spock's carefully coiffured hair. But ha, FOILED. He'll learn to expect that, just like Spock Prime.
And oh, when Spock Prime goes all "James T. Kirk" and "How did you find me?" in the cave, that right there was the moment that I cried because I got hit by the wall of Generations denial t'hy'la.
I am so glad I'm not the only one who thought that about Uhura simply telling Spock whatever you want, I'll do it.Definitely not alone. It
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I want to, no I need to dispel the belief that Spock and Uhura were ever supposed to be a couple. Yes it came up for discussion in TOS because it was the 60s and no way could you have an attractive and unattached female in an on going series. Trouble was Uhura was black so having her involved with white guys like Kirk or McCoy was a big no no. That left Spock the alien. That hook up was debated for all of five minutes before being dismissed for the same reason that a Kirk/Rand hook up was dismissed, in that it would be ultra boring for a main character to have a regular love interest. So end of story? Not quite. Spock/Uhura shippers continue to get all over heated by the 30 or so seconds in Man Trap where a bored Uhura attempts to flirt with a frankly oblivious and confused Spock who doesn't hesitate to point out that her knowledge of the planet Vulcan is woeful. Not five minutes later she gets all huffy when he shows no emotion at the news that a crew member has been killed even though it could be Kirk because unlike Kirk she
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That hook up was debated for all of five minutes before being dismissed for the same reason that a Kirk/Rand hook up was dismissed, in that it would be ultra boring for a main character to have a regular love interest. I agree, and I just don't understand why more people don't get it. After all, it still happens in more modern television, like in Highlander, when Duncan's main squeeze, Tessa, was killed off five episodes into the second season--it is simply too limiting to story possibilities.
Not five minutes later she gets all huffy when he shows no emotion at the news that a crew member has been killed even though it could be Kirk because unlike Kirk she has no clue that there is much more to Spock than meets the eye.It's this conversation that really sheds light on the fact that Uhura doesn't really know Spock that well. It reminds me of the scene in "Spectre of the Gun," when McCoy and Scotty jump all over Spock's case, thinking he's not sad enough that Chekov is dead, and Kirk has to intervene, because unlike, it seems,
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Yeah, the Sam question was one that I had trouble with, because he was technically onscreen, though called by another name, and I believe the commentary mentioned that it was supposed to be Sam. I just went with, well, he wasn't Sam in the final cut, so...yeah.
As far as including deleted scenes, it gets a little tricky for me, since sometimes they directly contradict events in the film--I'm thinking particularly of the deleted scene from the first Rambo, where it shows that Trautman kills Rambo because he asked him to (though maybe that's more of an alternate ending?). I guess if a deleted scene didn't directly contradict something that we know from the final version of the film, I'd be more likely to consider it canon. Again, it'd help if I could see the scene (frickin' DVD *pouts ( ... )
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I think it speaks wonderfully to Jim's mental state too. You're nothing...
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I do believe I've read this, too, and yeah, that was actually the explanation that pretty much made it all better for me. Because it's easy to see that Kirk would be coming around to how similar the two of them are, to an appreciation (however grudging) of Spock in general, since he's got access to the emotions and whatnot, but Spock's a tougher nut to crack. But of course, Spock would be all logical about it, and getting him off the ship would be the only way to make sure he'd be out of Spock's carefully coiffured hair. But ha, FOILED. He'll learn to expect that, just like Spock Prime.
And oh, when Spock Prime goes all "James T. Kirk" and "How did you find me?" in the cave, that right there was the moment that I cried because I got hit by the wall of Generations denial t'hy'la.
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I agree, and I just don't understand why more people don't get it. After all, it still happens in more modern television, like in Highlander, when Duncan's main squeeze, Tessa, was killed off five episodes into the second season--it is simply too limiting to story possibilities.
Not five minutes later she gets all huffy when he shows no emotion at the news that a crew member has been killed even though it could be Kirk because unlike Kirk she has no clue that there is much more to Spock than meets the eye.It's this conversation that really sheds light on the fact that Uhura doesn't really know Spock that well. It reminds me of the scene in "Spectre of the Gun," when McCoy and Scotty jump all over Spock's case, thinking he's not sad enough that Chekov is dead, and Kirk has to intervene, because unlike, it seems, ( ... )
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