I'm having deep think-y thoughts - that can't be good...
So, there's a really brilliant conversation going on over at be-compromised here, that starts with the Sacred Temple and ends up in a discussion on how to portray Natasha (and other female characters, but in particular her) and do them justice
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I'd run with it - she is a woman who wasn't afraid to walk into an interrogation chamber and bare her soul and her heart for a villain to play with in order to get what she wanted. No matter on how you read her and Clint being, no matter if she's avoiding acknowledging anything other than friendship, she is not afraid of emotions in general. And it takes great courage for a woman with Natasha's history (no matter how you may invent and interrupt her history) to allow herself to feel things and then to use them as weapons.
But then again, my Natasha has a very snarky, lively inner-narration style most of the time, and she reacts emotionally to things, and YMMV there, obviously :)
I mean, I think she has some trouble with what is her and what is Natalie or Romy or Nadine or Alison or Noelia or so on, but there is too much truth in her acting for it to be entirely act.
(because I have her running away before that):D! This is ( ... )
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:D I really like that thought. I don't know that I'd thought about that particular bit in that way, but I think you're absolutely right.
But then again, my Natasha has a very snarky, lively inner-narration style most of the time, and she reacts emotionally to things, and YMMV there, obviously :)
Mine is... dryly sarcastic. And generally amused by people (sometimes in a pleasant way, sometimes with an edge to it.) But there's also quite a bit of the girl in the woman, if that makes any sense?
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Mine is... dryly sarcastic. And generally amused by people (sometimes in a pleasant way, sometimes with an edge to it.) But there's also quite a bit of the girl in the woman, if that makes any sense?Mine is also often amused by things, and, yes, that does make sense to me! Mine is...often the same, I think. I have her ( ... )
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Natasha, in my headcanon, is someone who is determined to live.
Ding ding ding ding ding! Yes! And that's a big part of why she runs away from the Red Room, I think. So she can live. She wants more for herself than what they're allowing her. I got hit over the head a couple days ago (thank you, Florence + the Machine) with the realization that she's already considering going to SHIELD before she and Clint have their little showdown. I haven't figured out all the angles there, but at that point she was running from the Red Room and SHIELD both and had already made her own decision to switch sides. Not that she's going to make it easy for Clint when he offers, of course. ;) But "Shake it Out" is totally her redemption song in my head.
I have her being mid-thirties, but in a lot of ways, she's still fairly young (and in others, so very old). Of course, her constantly ( ... )
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It is some seriously good discussion. I'm just all agog over the meta going on - love love love it. :D
But stories from Clint's POV are going to be different because he knows her. When she's around him and no one else, she's a different person. Would she have set down with Stark and hashed out his head space if he'd been the one taken by Loki? No. He doesn't matter to her. Clint matters to her. Even if you only see them as friends, they have history. She's going to be different with him.This is a very true thing. :) I still haven't figured out exactly why - but she's a bit different with him from the beginning. And I think it might have to do with how similar they are - she sees something kindred in him (my Clint is very happy to be an assassin, tyvm) - and he ( ... )
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No, no! Don't worry about it! I totally get that - I get that way too. I absolutely appreciate the concern, too. :)
I see what they're saying about the difference between BROKEN (and in need of repair) and DAMAGED (yet healed around the scars). In general, strong women aren't broken. They may be damaged but the reason they're strong is because they healed. Natasha is strong, yet damaged. She can be both at the same time without the other getting in the way. She is, in no way, broken.You know, the more I think about why this poked at me so much? I think part of the problem is that I don't seem to make the same distinctions between the two words (as words in and of themselves) as other people seem to be... which is where I ( ... )
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