you werent the only one dissappointed...first off I was so mad at Elizabeth for what she did for Jack she had NO RIGHT! and then she was like he was a good man...can you say someone did a good deed when you FORCED THEM?
I agree about Elizabeth pouting...and hitting on all the guys....
I though it was also a bit darker...isnt this a family movie that kids can see yet it is fighting action fun for adults too?
I did LOVE when Will got his shirt RIPPED open and his naked man flesh was exposed! and you could see the muscles in his back work...and WATER dripping down his back! yeah!
something else I didnt get the person who holds the heart controls Davey Jones (that is the right person right?) SO why didnt Jack used the heart when it was in his hands...seemed unliky to me
there were a few fun scenes....and great fighting scenes and the computer animation was just BEAUTFULL!
and I didnt know it was just going to end...I though each one was going to be its own story...
It didn't even really seem in character for Elizabeth to do that to him any more than it seemed like in character for Jack to sacrifice Will. In the past had he done that, he would have had a back up plan and saved him. Not in this one.
The whipping scene made some things a bit better though. Orlando is aging very gracefully and has gotten much broader and masculine looking.
Elizabeth seemed winy at that part on the beach. It annoyed me. Her recent personality change had me a bit confused through the movie. I totally agree with you about her character.
Jack, I'm not too sure about. I thought maybe he thought he could save Will later on, but with the way things turned out, I have to agree that he changed from the original.
Will, I liked and I agree with you that he was consistant in the whole movie. I felt so bad for him when he saw Jack and Elizabeth kissing. I can see some arguments in the next movie about that.
Three-way fight was the best thing ever. :D I would never get tired of that scene...well, except when Elizabeth was winning. >.>
Other thing I liked was the fortune teller. xD She was so awesome and I loved her voice. ^^
Sad thing is I liked Elizabeth in the first movie. She and Will deserved each other and were obviously in love and Will, being the naive idealist that he was, deserved the beautiful but willful lady. This one I kept being left with the feeling that Will deserved better. Elizabeth was petulent and whiny and obviously interested in Jack while she was mean to Norrington, who had actually been very kind to her at the end of the last movie. I just didn't like her.
And beforehand Jack would have had a grand plan to save Will. It sure didn't seem like it in this one and it's never mentioned so it's my assumption that he just left him to die.
I do agree. She seemed much better in the first one but people change. The writers wanted to show the other side of her in order to create this love triangle. It seems unfortunate that they would do that to a character because it doesn't seem consistant with the previous movie, but it adds more to the movie I guess. Perhaps a bit too much in my opinion. In the 3rd movie this will leave her choosing either Will or Jack. dun dun dun xD
So true about Jack but he is a pirate after all. ;)
I agree with a lot of this. It was a bit of a mess. A pretty, often entertaining mess, but a mess nevertheless.
Jack and Elizabeth did seem a bit WTF out of character, and there didn't seem to be anything that had happened in the time since the last movie to explain it. Norrington's character change made more sense, I felt. Although I concede it seems unlikely that he would steal the papers and the heart for himself, effectively condemning Elizabeth to the gallows. I'm hoping the third movie doesn't just write him off in that vein and that there's some sort of twist to his behavior. It seemed like maybe they were trying to go for parallel character situations for him and Jack, but it didn't really work.
Despite all that I think I could have felt perfectly satisfied with this film if only there had been a few more good, original quotable lines. The in-joke dialogue was ocassionally humorous, but often annoying or jarring. Grr.
(Also, hi, I clicked over from dangermousie as I've been trolling LJ for interesting (read: dissatisfied) PotC2 reviews
I can understand Norrington's slide to the Dark Side more than any of the changes to the other characters as he did the right thing in the last movie and he lost everything because of that. What I don't believe is that he'd slide that far. It's a bit much that he'd effectively doom people to hanging just because he wants a commission again.
One thing to remember, though, is that Norrington had a death warrant out for himself, too. At the beginning they list him as wanted along with Elizabeth and Will.
True, but I still liked Norrington in the first movie as he was a better man than that. Of course Jack is trying to save himself too and Will and Elizabeth are trying to save each other so I'm sure they felt Norrington was the easiest one to make "bad".
Once again, took the words out of my mouth. I went to rewatch it last night, and yes, enjoyable as it was, because of everything you mentioned, it just doesn't hold up as well as the first. Also, all the overCGIing gets in the way. The first was so great because of the amazing characters and so when they give us more and more elaborate set-pieces, fun or not, I just want them to get back to the chracter-driven stuff.
Re: Jack. On the rewatch, I think they were trying to indicate that he didn't mean to turn Will over to Davy Jones permanently. It was just a stalling thing while he found the chest (he certainly didn't really seem to look for a 100 people, and kinda wandered off with four). BUT BUT BUT My problem was that they seemed to indicate that Jack didn't know what he wanted and that didn't make any sense: why wouldn't he know he wanted to escape DJ? And of course, I didn't see why he needed to learn to be a good man, since we learned that in the first movie anyway. One of the points of the first movie, actually, was to show 'the
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The thing is it shouldn't be so hard to guess whether Jack was going to go after Will again or not. It was like you had to read too much into his motivations. And the whole "he doesn't know what he wants thing" didn't really make a lot of sense. There were so many sub plots floating around I was desperately trying not to get lost
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Re: Jack and motivations. I think they simply got confused and lost with all the million subplots they had running around. The whole movie felt hectic and would have benefitted from clarification.
On Elizabeth: oh yes. I wouldn't have had nearly the same problem if she 'experimented' with Jack in the first movie (on thei island or whatever). But for her to get engaged to Will, who've gotten amazingly cool, too, and THEN choose to act on hormones (which she didn't have toward Jack before) was odd. And it's not even the kiss itself but the fact that I think they were trying to mislead the audience so the audience would be just as surprised about the chain as Jack, and so they emphasized people thinking she had a yen for Jack etc etc that really threw it out of whack. It basically made me go: "Hmmmm. So to save you from hanging, Will is risking his soul and suffering bodily harm on a ship of the damned. While you are...flirting with Jack? Yeah, yeah, definitely fair." Except not.
And yes, definitely getting the DVD for Orlando scenes.
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I agree about Elizabeth pouting...and hitting on all the guys....
I though it was also a bit darker...isnt this a family movie that kids can see yet it is fighting action fun for adults too?
I did LOVE when Will got his shirt RIPPED open and his naked man flesh was exposed! and you could see the muscles in his back work...and WATER dripping down his back! yeah!
something else I didnt get the person who holds the heart controls Davey Jones (that is the right person right?) SO why didnt Jack used the heart when it was in his hands...seemed unliky to me
there were a few fun scenes....and great fighting scenes and the computer animation was just BEAUTFULL!
and I didnt know it was just going to end...I though each one was going to be its own story...
I think the first was way better
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The whipping scene made some things a bit better though. Orlando is aging very gracefully and has gotten much broader and masculine looking.
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Jack, I'm not too sure about. I thought maybe he thought he could save Will later on, but with the way things turned out, I have to agree that he changed from the original.
Will, I liked and I agree with you that he was consistant in the whole movie. I felt so bad for him when he saw Jack and Elizabeth kissing. I can see some arguments in the next movie about that.
Three-way fight was the best thing ever. :D I would never get tired of that scene...well, except when Elizabeth was winning. >.>
Other thing I liked was the fortune teller. xD She was so awesome and I loved her voice. ^^
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And beforehand Jack would have had a grand plan to save Will. It sure didn't seem like it in this one and it's never mentioned so it's my assumption that he just left him to die.
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So true about Jack but he is a pirate after all. ;)
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Jack and Elizabeth did seem a bit WTF out of character, and there didn't seem to be anything that had happened in the time since the last movie to explain it. Norrington's character change made more sense, I felt. Although I concede it seems unlikely that he would steal the papers and the heart for himself, effectively condemning Elizabeth to the gallows. I'm hoping the third movie doesn't just write him off in that vein and that there's some sort of twist to his behavior. It seemed like maybe they were trying to go for parallel character situations for him and Jack, but it didn't really work.
Despite all that I think I could have felt perfectly satisfied with this film if only there had been a few more good, original quotable lines. The in-joke dialogue was ocassionally humorous, but often annoying or jarring. Grr.
(Also, hi, I clicked over from dangermousie as I've been trolling LJ for interesting (read: dissatisfied) PotC2 reviews
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Re: Jack. On the rewatch, I think they were trying to indicate that he didn't mean to turn Will over to Davy Jones permanently. It was just a stalling thing while he found the chest (he certainly didn't really seem to look for a 100 people, and kinda wandered off with four). BUT BUT BUT My problem was that they seemed to indicate that Jack didn't know what he wanted and that didn't make any sense: why wouldn't he know he wanted to escape DJ? And of course, I didn't see why he needed to learn to be a good man, since we learned that in the first movie anyway. One of the points of the first movie, actually, was to show 'the ( ... )
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On Elizabeth: oh yes. I wouldn't have had nearly the same problem if she 'experimented' with Jack in the first movie (on thei island or whatever). But for her to get engaged to Will, who've gotten amazingly cool, too, and THEN choose to act on hormones (which she didn't have toward Jack before) was odd. And it's not even the kiss itself but the fact that I think they were trying to mislead the audience so the audience would be just as surprised about the chain as Jack, and so they emphasized people thinking she had a yen for Jack etc etc that really threw it out of whack. It basically made me go: "Hmmmm. So to save you from hanging, Will is risking his soul and suffering bodily harm on a ship of the damned. While you are...flirting with Jack? Yeah, yeah, definitely fair." Except not.
And yes, definitely getting the DVD for Orlando scenes.
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