Oh, yeah. D & L. So random. I feel like they do well with flashbacky stuff, kids & teenagers. But often fail very badly with present-day stuff, and will always go for things they think are funny, even if it makes no sense.
I hadn't quite realized how bitter I was feeling about the state of SPN, until I sat down to write this. But I think you captured it very well: Carver has broken something in a way that he may never be able to truly repair, because he doesn't realize he broke it. And yes as well to the romcom plots: contrived misunderstandings, arbitrary behaviour, pushing the characters into situations to produce angst so the resolution can ensue. Stories which feel built, not grown.
I do feel like the sense of it being a family story is missing. I haven't quite found a way to articulate it yet, but it feels like a story about two individuals, and the people they interact with, rather than a story about brothers, somehow. There's nobody left who knows them as family, and I'm not sure that Carver sees family as essential to
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But it's hard to watch, and the thing which kept me going, the heart of it; "love, family, whatever it is" - the glue of the story - I'm having trouble finding it. I don't know who Sam & Dean are anymore if they're not all about each other. Maybe that's not a bad thing: maybe that's a healthier thing for them. It's just not what I fell for about this show.
That last episode really depressed me. I am just not feeling Sam and Dean, and although D&L tend to write my least favourite stuff, I just fear for where this is headed. I want badly to believe there's going to be some big reveal which explains how it ended up here, but from reading what Carver (and Jared) have to say about it all, I suspect there isn't one. I've never worried before: Demon blood, Ruby, soullessness - even when they were throwing punches you never questioned the basis for it all was this insane love, and that whatever they did and however dark things got, they were inherently good men. But I'm not feeling it at all right now.
The fact that it was Dabb & Lofflin is the only reason I'm not more down about this episode. But even so - I don't think there's going to be a big reveal about Sam, but maybe there will be some small ones which will give insight into his headspace in the missing year. I STILL HAVE HOPE.
I really hope so! I do think he has some very specific ideas about what he wants to do with the story, I just hope it's going to be worth what it takes to get there. There's a lot we can talk ourselves into, as fans, but when the characters don't ring true, it's hard.
I do think, as de_nugis says above, that we will get a reconciliation of some sort between Sam and Dean - there has to be, if they want to keep making the show, because Sam & Dean need to be hunting together.
I've been writing season 8 fic as a way to deal with my disconnect/discontent. It's sort of working, but I completely agree with everything you said, particularly about Sam. Very well articulated. :-(
I am so glad to hear you're writing S8 fic! I don't think I could do it right now, I don't feel like I have a handle on things AT ALL. But I can't wait to read what you're writing, if anything could help make sense if it all it's your fic.
And it's not that I don't have a lot of sympathy for both of them, I really do. There are just certain lacunae in terms of how we got from where we were to where we are now.
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I hadn't quite realized how bitter I was feeling about the state of SPN, until I sat down to write this. But I think you captured it very well: Carver has broken something in a way that he may never be able to truly repair, because he doesn't realize he broke it. And yes as well to the romcom plots: contrived misunderstandings, arbitrary behaviour, pushing the characters into situations to produce angst so the resolution can ensue. Stories which feel built, not grown.
I do feel like the sense of it being a family story is missing. I haven't quite found a way to articulate it yet, but it feels like a story about two individuals, and the people they interact with, rather than a story about brothers, somehow. There's nobody left who knows them as family, and I'm not sure that Carver sees family as essential to ( ... )
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All the this.
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That last episode really depressed me. I am just not feeling Sam and Dean, and although D&L tend to write my least favourite stuff, I just fear for where this is headed. I want badly to believe there's going to be some big reveal which explains how it ended up here, but from reading what Carver (and Jared) have to say about it all, I suspect there isn't one. I've never worried before: Demon blood, Ruby, soullessness - even when they were throwing punches you never questioned the basis for it all was this insane love, and that whatever they did and however dark things got, they were inherently good men. But I'm not feeling it at all right now.
THIS MAKES ME A SAD PANDA :'(
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But maybe we're wrong, just missing a piece of the puzzle that Carver is hiding from us...maybe?
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I do think, as de_nugis says above, that we will get a reconciliation of some sort between Sam and Dean - there has to be, if they want to keep making the show, because Sam & Dean need to be hunting together.
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And it's not that I don't have a lot of sympathy for both of them, I really do. There are just certain lacunae in terms of how we got from where we were to where we are now.
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