Open discussion: Hannibal 2x09 "Shiizakana"

[cleolinda]

It's the kind of day where I almost forgot it was Friday. That kind of week, really.

Two Aromaleigh eyeshadow colors this week:

Comments

[afolieadeux]

You guys, I think I have to start smoking cigarettes again (I unwisely quit right before S2 started). As far as I see it, it's the 'least' offensive vice I can pick up to help manage my anxiety about this show.

Also I need to watch this episode about 14 more times before I can comment because I have NO IDEA...

WTF... IS GOING ON.

[agentsculder]

I feel you. I stopped smoking YEARS ago, and generally speaking I don't miss it at all. But this show gives me cravings pretty badly. If I did still smoke, I would probably burn through a lot of cigarettes per episode.

[threerings]

Eek, yeah. I've been quit for a couple years, and I would totally be stress chain smoking during the show if I hadn't.

[tenshinofushigi]

Okay, wait, since I'm actually more coherent than I thought, I'm going to toss out a theory I entertained in last week's discussion post and am starting to think is seriously possible

[meleth]

I really hope we don't lose another female character, especially now that we have Margot filling the "look, a woman is onscreen and talking" role.

[tenshinofushigi]

Yeeeeeah. (Where the fuck is Freddie and Kade? Or even Miriam? Why did the female population drop so drastically?)

I really want to be wrong about the death of Alana, but I feel like the clues are pointing that way. Then again, this show does bill itself on being surprising AND I am terrible at making accurate predictions! So there is still hope! (Seriously, I made jokes about "I really doubt Miriam is gonna be hanging out in Hannibal's basement missing an arm.")

[meleth]

Hey, we get Freddie and Alana having a conversation next week! About Hannibal, granted, but at least we'll get two female characters on screen in a non-murdered context.

[goldenusagi]

Yeah, is the social worker still out there or what? And as the guys on last week's AMoT podcast mentioned, the social worker was present for that entire mindfuck of a conversation between Hannibal and Will. I figured Hannibal would kill him after the fact just so as not to have a witness.

[detritius]

I bet the social worker was in the omelet Hannibal served to Jack at the beginning.

[goldenusagi]

After Hannibal grabs the revolver and talks Will down, he probably just, like, slashes the guy's throat or something, lol. 'What? Just because you weren't going to kill him doesn't mean I can't.'

[afolieadeux]

Shii, one more thing.

Just scrolled up to see the thread's main message.

Cleo, my queen-- *big ole hug*

[meleth]

Last week, I knew it was Friday (because I did many of the Holy Week services), but I was so tired I actually forgot it was Hannibal day. Which made a nice finale to the existential despair and horror of Good Friday.

[goldenusagi]

(Ugh, wall of text, I'm so sorry.) Also, Cleo, thank you so much for having these episode discussion posts. As much as I look forward to the recaps, the discussion is always just as much fun

[ext_2510405]

Agreed with all of this, but especially the last paragraph.

I'm really worried for Will right now. Okay, so he brought the body back to Hannibal: now what? Sure, Will might have been able to argue self-defense if he'd just called the cops, but he didn't do that - he went to Hannibal instead. And while I'm sure there's paperwork to allow law enforcement officers to break the law in the name of catching bigger fish, Will is neither an officer nor is he acting like one. His conversation with Jack last episode looked like it was off the books, so what the heck is going to happen when Randall is discovered/declared missing? (Since the Randall-tiger in the preview might have been a hallucination/imagining, and not necessarily Hannibal+Will's work.)

Besides, even with the trust Will is showing for Hannibal (Will feeling trust is a whole other issue of reality vs acting), this gives Hannibal more leverage. This isn't the first time Hannibal has sent Will into the bear's lion's den, but it's the first time Will made Hannibal an accessory

[goldenusagi]

It does give Hannibal leverage, but I kind of doubt Will cares? Hannibal already sent him to jail once, so that's not happening again. As to what happens after Hannibal is caught--I'm betting murder wizardry leaves no trace of Randall to Will. Though Hannibal's hubris is going to catch up to him soon. Something is going to tie him to things and provide solid proof of his doings. But I do think that Will going to Hannibal is only making that Will-lure more irresistible to Hannibal.

[meleth]

I think Hannibal just wanted to see which of his Murder Apprentices would win. Randall's viciousness was more apparent, but once Will's darkness comes out, it's kind of terrifying ("you wouldn't like me when I'm psychoanalyzed" turned out to be completely true). Alternately, he realizes Will is still a potential threat to him, and is determined to either turn Will into a monster, or get him out of the way for good. "Join me or die," basically.

in fancy cannibal etiquette this probably means they’re engaged.

"Anyone you can kill, I can kill more intimately," or "The Courtship of the Fancy Cannibal."