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joseph52 in christianity

End Times

Apr 12, 2011 07:14

Last week the sermon at church was about this being the end times ( Read more... )

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cbackson April 13 2011, 03:39:42 UTC

As Jesus says to the title character in Russell Hoban's novel Pilgermann, the Day of Judgment is the only day there is.

It doesn't matter if the last days begin next week or in a thousand years - today is our day of judgment, as is tomorrow and every day after.

alasthai April 13 2011, 05:30:49 UTC

I really like that.

Sure, it means that I am completely screwed, but it makes a lot of sense.

alasthai April 13 2011, 05:29:36 UTC

Aside from the issue about a preacher's obligation to check claims like that, what concerns me about such things is the enthusiasm which many Christians express about the End Times. Certainly there is an attraction for the "Please validate my faith by persecuting me" crowd, but I cannot see why others want it: a later end point means more people in Heaven.

hydroskufl April 13 2011, 07:10:07 UTC

One thing to remember is that at this current point in time, we have more population, instant media coverage and the ability to chart earthquakes and natural disasters than ever before. What may seem like a sudden surge in earthquakes, etc. is natural cycles - but there's just more people to be injured and more photographs in the news and big cities to be affected by it, and it hits us harder.

Of course as time marches onwards, we do get closer to the end times. But only God knows the season.

susannah April 13 2011, 13:57:23 UTC

"During this time us Christians will be persecuted and murdered in the belief they are serving God when they do it, like Muslims do in Pakistan and the middle east"...or like Crusaders did, with the mandate and wishes of the Church, "believing they were serving God when they did it ( ... )

torbenite April 14 2011, 14:11:38 UTC

Fair enough.

...or like Crusaders did, with the mandate and wishes of the Church, "believing they were serving God when they did it"...

Thing is it a few hundred years (over 500 if Im not mistaken) since there was a crusade.

Not many christians I know go round blowing up others and murdering muslims because they don't believe in Jesus Christ.

pastorlenny April 14 2011, 15:13:25 UTC

I think the US military has blown up and murdered Muslims a bit more recently than that.

torbenite April 15 2011, 05:32:54 UTC

I dont get the connection. The God of the US is not Jesus Christ. Maybe it was once upon a time, but not these days. Im not american but I've never heard politicians talking about Jesus Christ the saviour.

Its besides the point: The "war on terror" is not a holy war; it has nothing to do with Jesus Christ but rather (apparently or supposedly) "protecting the lives of americans".

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evilref April 13 2011, 15:41:49 UTC

During this time us Christians will be persecuted and murdered in the belief they are serving God when they do it, like Muslims do in Pakistan and the middle east

I don't believe Daniel's Great Tribulation has anything to do with Christians. Daniel was a Jew, and so was the audience when Jesus was speaking on the Mount of Olives, looking down on the Temple.

I believe the Great Tribulation finished in 1945, and very shortly after that Daniel's people stood up in their allotted inheritance.

Which, if the word translated "generation" in Jesus' prophecy means what it means today, gives us very little time. But it may mean "race".

Meanwhile, we may any of us die tomorrow, making this discussion moot.