Anti-childfree charities

[dust_mote]

I'm sure you've encountered them before. March of Dimes, WIC (Women Infants and Children), "Save the Children", "Make a Wish" foundation. WIC in particular I've even seen them put up huge booths in public buildings like libraries, explaining how they'll help you out if you want to make a child. Does anyone know any dirt on these organizations? I

Comments

[dncingmalkavian]

Amen to that!

[dust_mote]

If I had some assurance that those tax funded programs weren't going towards pro-baby (or anti-birth control!) schemes, but only going to people who actually already have kids they can't quite take care of, I'd be a lot more comfortable in supporting such programs. I wonder how one could provide that assurance?

[nesmith]

The level of "Well, *I* don't feel that way so no one else should!" and myopathy on your part is really staggering. Perhaps you should educate yourself before spouting this level of staggering ignorance in a very large community.

If this is the way you conduct your discourse and you really believe the shit you've spewed over half this post, you are going to have a very rough time here. Fair warning.

[dust_mote]

Don't worry I don't really believe anything. But describing my words as spewing shit is not the right way to convince me of the validity of your argument. I didn't say anyone else should feel this way. And it's myopy not myopathy.

[nesmith]

First of all, "reply." Learn to use it.

Second of all, it's spewing, and it's shit. Can't think of a more convincing description, and I do not engage in debates with the unarmed. It's a waste of my time.

I will give it to you with myopy, but you're still myopic and the fact that you won't even consider it stands as proof.

All right, I'm done with you. Good day.

[lilenth]

I don't think your post is very good, largely because it's got some rather unpleasant ideas behind it such as being anti-choice (not wanting anyone to have kids

[dust_mote]

such as being anti-choice (not wanting anyone to have kids).It's true I am less pro-choice in that respect than many. I think kids are a big responsibility. Nobody has some kind of divine right to pop them out whenever they feel like it. They have to take careful consideration of their decision to bring yet another life into the world. Children affect us all, not just the parents or the immediate family. We live in a global society after all. So I don't think it's fair to say the community has no say over people's decision to have kids, and I don't think that someone's right to decide to have kids themselves is sacrosanct. Call me short sighted, but if I'm in a situation where housing is at a premium and development is threatening the very ecology we all depend on, I will begin to encourage people not to have kids, in whatever way I'm able. If I'm in a situation where people are starving on the streets, I will defend my right to be outraged at people who try to become parents in a time when we have other things to worry about first

[lilenth]

If the community has a say over someone's decision to have kids, then you're also saying they have a say over our decision not to have kids and that's not pro-choice.

You can't be less pro-choice, you're either pro-choice or not, there is no "well this choice is okay but that choice shouldn't be allowed" position in pro-choice.

I might disagree with someone's choice to bring a kid into the world at bad times but I certain don't agree that they shouldn't be allowed to make a choice even if I don't agree with what they do with that choice.

[dust_mote]

You'll let people walk all over you that way. If you don't agree with what someone is doing, you should try to stop it. If you can't stop it, or if the consequences of stopping it are not worth the trouble, then no problem. So be it. But if you say "I don't want you to have babies. Now I'm going to sit here like a lump while you have babies," that's just hypocrisy.

[dncingmalkavian]

I'm pretty sure this fellow is a troll. How about we leave him in the corner and just get on with our lives? Unfortunately, at this point, we're only feeding his fire.

[visionari]

I guess I'm holding out the (probably vain) hope of wedging a little humanity into his thick skull consciousness.

That's assuming that he's just a not-so-good person as opposed to being a troll (which is a bad person who enjoys being a bad person and is therefore not changeable), of course.

[visionari]

I submit that someone who thinks it's fun to deliberately annoy or upset others IS a bad person. YMMV, of course. :)

I don't think this guy is seriously this off, btw. There's someone well-known on LJ who will argue endlessly because he simply must be right no matter how deep a hole he has to dig himself in order to avoid capitulating... I think the OP is one of those.

Holy run-on sentence, Batman!